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Brad Setser expresses skepticism about BYD's low-cost EV model relying on Chinese parts and prefers CATL's licensing approach, while suggesting allied-country EVs could push Tesla to innovate.

Reports shift in BYD's sales composition, no bullish or bearish commitment from speaker.

Brad Setser defends his view that intense domestic competition and falling margins in China are pushing BYD to export, but he lacks definitive profit data and the exchange remains inconclusive.

Brad Setser dismisses Glenn's outdated analysis of BYD's profit miss, but expresses no personal directional view on the stock.

Brad Setser notes domestic margins in China came under pressure in Q1 and suggests asking BYD, but offers no forward-looking directional view.

Brad Setser references FT and WSJ reports that intense price competition amid declining sales has cut domestic profitability while exports remain wildly profitable for Tesla and BYD.

Brad Setser notes consensus that exporting from China is more profitable than domestic sales, citing BYD as an example without expressing his own directional view.

Brad Setser criticizes a forecaster for missing falling profits at BYD and argues that overcapacity in EVs and ICEs makes exports no longer marginal to Chinese auto production.

Brad Setser highlights that Chinese automakers like BYD and Chery are unprofitable domestically but earn significant export profits due to a weak yuan, suggesting a structural advantage for their global expansion.

BYD and Geely export strong.

Long BYD as Chinese OEM adoption of advanced SDV architectures boosts semiconductor content despite domestic headwinds.

BYD at turning point, recovery ahead

Elevated oil prices boost BYD sales.

BYD has strong tech and vertical integration.

BYD's vertical integration gives competitive edge.

The author mentions holding BYDDY shares as a hedge against the VOW3 long position. BYD is the competitive threat eating VW's lunch in China, providing a direct hedge to the primary trade's China risk. BYDDY is not a standalone trade idea here but a risk management component for the VOW3 thesis. Not applicable, as this is presented as a hedge.

BYD's overseas exports jumped ~65% in March, while domestic sales slumped ~40%. The company is guiding for higher overseas sales targets for the year. Surging oil prices due to the Iran war are boosting the incentive for consumers globally to switch from gasoline vehicles to EVs. However, weak domestic consumption and scaled-back subsidies in China are hurting local demand. The company is becoming increasingly reliant on overseas sales for growth, making it a key barometer for global EV adoption amid high energy prices. The stark divergence between export and domestic performance warrants close monitoring. A resolution to the Iran conflict and a sharp drop in oil prices could reduce the urgency for consumers to switch to EVs. Domestic competition in China remains fierce.

The speaker reports BYD's exports climbed 645% YoY, but domestic sales slumped 40%, leading to a 20% drop in total sales. The company is now leaning heavily on exports and has raised its export target. BYD is successfully pivoting to overseas markets to offset severe weakness in its home market, where price competition is intense. However, the overall sales decline indicates significant domestic challenges. The story is mixed: strong export execution is a positive, but it's counterbalanced by a sharply deteriorating domestic business. The net effect is unclear, warranting a neutral stance. Escalating trade barriers in key export markets, or a further deepening of the domestic price war in China.

Speaker cites BYD's Q4 profit plunge of 38% and quotes the Chairman's letter stating competition has reached a "fever pitch" and the industry is undergoing a "brutal knockout stage." Intense price competition in China's EV market is directly compressing profitability for the sector leader, with management warning the painful consolidation phase is ongoing. The fundamental outlook is deteriorating due to brutal competition, suggesting more financial pain is likely before any stabilization, making the stock unattractive. A rapid exit of numerous competitors from the market, easing pricing pressure sooner than expected.

Droulers reported BYD's first annual profit drop in four years, with the chairman calling the EV sector a "brutal knockout stage" and Citigroup noting Q1 car sales may be unprofitable. Intense competition and price wars in China are eroding profitability. BYD's growth is now increasingly reliant on capital-intensive overseas expansion. The core China EV market is in a fiercely unprofitable phase, making the company's near-term earnings trajectory unattractive. Overseas expansion yields faster-than-expected profitability, or a major competitor exits the Chinese market.

BYD is positioned to capture significant market share and emerge as a regional winner based on recent industry developments.

Stated "that's why investors should be looking at NIO" after noting over 50% of new auto sales were NEVs. Said BYD sales are expected to go up due to new models and a new 10-minute full-charge battery technology. Middle East tensions will push Chinese consumers to adopt NEVs even more, benefiting domestic leaders. BYD's new technology is a competitive advantage. Positive view on specific Chinese NEV leaders due to strong market adoption trends and technological innovation. Failure of new models or battery tech; broader Chinese consumer downturn.

"B.Y.D. shares surging the most in 13 months, lifting with it other Chinese E.V. stocks, such as NIO. Brazil received orders for 100,000 units, a sign of improving sales outlook in foreign countries." Despite facing tariffs and restrictions in the US and EU, Chinese EV makers are successfully pivoting to emerging markets like South America and Mexico. This export growth helps absorb domestic overcapacity and drives revenue expansion. LONG. BYD's global expansion strategy is bearing fruit, proving they can grow outside of Western markets that are erecting trade barriers. The US could pressure Mexico to block Chinese EVs, or global shipping disruptions (Strait of Hormuz) could impact export logistics.

The move toward electric vehicles has been ongoing throughout Asia and I think certainly in Pakistan we are looking for ways to speed that up. As every crisis is, it's an opportunity for change. Energy crises and spiking imported fuel costs act as a catalyst for emerging markets to accelerate EV adoption to ensure sovereign energy security. Automakers with strong footholds and scalable EV models in Asian markets will capture this government-backed demand. LONG. High oil prices force governments to subsidize and fast-track EV infrastructure, expanding the total addressable market for major EV manufacturers in heavily populated Asian countries. EV adoption in emerging markets may be severely hindered by inadequate electrical grid infrastructure or a lack of consumer purchasing power.

"BYD may be considering building their own team or buying into a season [of F1]... as it pushes up its luxury branding." BYD is actively trying to shed its mass-market and ride-hailing image by launching high-margin luxury vehicles. Associating the brand with premium motorsports like Formula 1 is a strategic move to attract upscale consumers, which would significantly improve their profit margins if successful. WATCH BYD's execution on its luxury brand expansion and potential F1 entry as a catalyst for margin expansion. High capital costs associated with F1 entry without a guaranteed return on investment in terms of luxury vehicle sales.

Xiaomi 3 years ago decided they would make cars after watching Apple spend $10 million not able to make a car. within three years. That factory is producing cars right now... One of the lines is all robots... More than half of the working the factory worker robots in the world are in China. China is successfully transitioning its manufacturing base to advanced robotics to counter its demographic decline. Chinese consumer tech companies are executing complex manufacturing (like EVs) faster and cheaper than Western counterparts, positioning them to capture massive global market share. LONG. Chinese EV and tech manufacturers utilizing advanced robotics have a severe cost and speed-to-market advantage over Western legacy automakers and tech giants. Severe Western tariffs on Chinese EVs and tech products could lock these companies out of the most lucrative consumer markets in the US and Europe.

The commenter highlights that Chinese automaker BYD has developed batteries with extremely fast charging capabilities (80% in 5 minutes). This technological superiority, combined with the high price of oil making EVs more attractive, positions BYD to capitalize on global demand for alternatives to gasoline-powered cars. The comment contrasts this with the "short sighted" decisions of US automakers. BYD's technological advantage and focus on EVs make it a strong long-term play, especially as geopolitical events highlight the weaknesses of oil dependency. BYD faces significant geopolitical and tariff risks, particularly in Western markets. The fast-charging technology may not be widely available or compatible with existing infrastructure.

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Hay notes that Chinese stocks have corrected and valuations are extremely low (KWEB average PE is ~14, cheaper than US utilities). He explicitly mentions BYD (BYDDY) as attractive. As the "American Exceptionalism" trade unwinds, capital seeks undervalued jurisdictions. China has already experienced its bear market, creating a favorable risk/reward entry compared to the frothy US market. LONG Chinese indices and specific tech/EV leaders. Geopolitical tensions or renewed regulatory crackdowns in China.