Market Collapse Or Melt-Up Next? These Investors Called New Highs, Here's Their Outlook

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  July 14, 2025 at 01:44  |  47:47  |  The David Lin Report
Speakers
Thomas Hayes — Co-founder, Crypto Is Macro
Matthew Sigel — Head of Digital Asset Research, VanEck
Jan van Eck — CEO of VanEck Funds
Mike McGlone — Senior Commodity Strategist, Bloomberg Intelligence
Mike Lee — Founder, Michael Lee Strategy
James Seyffart — ETF Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence
Ed Yardeni — President, Yardeni Research
Benjamin Cowen — Founder & CEO, Into the Cryptoverse
Chris Vermeulen — Chief Market Strategist, TheTechnicalTraders
Arthur Hayes — CIO, Maelstrom & CEO, Flop Labs
David Lin — Founder & Host, The David Lin Report / ex-Anchor, Kitco News

Summary

The video recaps 2025 market action, with both stocks and Bitcoin at or near record highs after recovering from April tariff-driven lows. It compiles guest interviews from Thomas Hayes, Matthew Sigel, Jan Van Eck, Mike McGlone, Mike Lee, James Seyffart, Ed Yardeni, Ben Cowen, Chris Vermeulen, and Arthur Hayes. Most guests remain constructive on risk assets, though views diverge on the durability of the rally, the risk of a correction, and whether Bitcoin or gold offers better protection.

  • S&P 500 and Bitcoin made new all-time highs after recovering from April lows.
  • Thomas Hayes, Mike Lee, and Ed Yardeni see further S&P 500 upside, with catch-up trade in laggards.
  • Matthew Sigel, James Seyffart, and Arthur Hayes remain bullish on Bitcoin, citing adoption and liquidity.
  • Jan Van Eck favors gold and Bitcoin as portfolio protection amid US deficit concerns.
  • Mike McGlone warns Bitcoin and S&P 500 are priced for perfection and expects a correction.
  • Ben Cowen expects a seasonal Bitcoin pullback in Q3.
  • Chris Vermeulen sees a possible S&P/Nasdaq breakout but warns of a sharp reversal.
  • Arthur Hayes also sees potential in emerging markets if foreign capital leaves the US.
Ideas
Thomas Hayes Co-founder, Crypto Is Macro 4:52
493 laggards outperform Magnificent 7
Hayes expects the second half to be dominated by the S&P 493 versus the Magnificent 7, meaning managers who are behind the indices should buy the catch-up trade and laggards rather than chase mega-cap leaders.
Thomas Hayes Co-founder, Crypto Is Macro 7:07
S&P 500 upside high single digits
Hayes argues the S&P 500 can push higher into earnings season and finish the year with high single-digit gains, maybe more, because sentiment is still extremely bearish, institutional managers are underweight and being forced to chase, shorts have covered, global M2 and liquidity are at a record, and positive headlines force sidelined money into the market.
Matthew Sigel Head of Digital Asset Research, VanEck 11:25
Bitcoin reaches 180k this year
Sigel is bullish on Bitcoin, targeting $180,000 per coin by year-end if macro uncertainty clears and the Fed eases, based on diminishing Bitcoin cycles and a 10x trough-to-peak return. Longer term, he sees roughly $450,000 by 2027-2028 if Bitcoin reaches the speculative half of the gold market, aided by central banks and sovereign wealth funds adopting it as a store of value and medium of exchange.
Jan van Eck CEO of VanEck Funds 15:14
Avoid US equities on deficit
Van Eck is cautious on US equities because the US budget deficit is unsustainable and likely requires less fiscal stimulus, which would lower economic growth and reduce support for equities. He says he is not saying to get out of the market, but expects less fiscal stimulus in the second half and sees this as a macro overhang.
Jan van Eck CEO of VanEck Funds 17:50
Gold and Bitcoin protect portfolios
Van Eck recommends gold and Bitcoin as portfolio protection against the potential budget, debt, and social-security reckoning, noting both are in multi-year rallies and hitting all-time highs.
Mike McGlone Senior Commodity Strategist, Bloomberg Intelligence 19:47
Bitcoin risk/reward unfavorable, take profits
McGlone thinks Bitcoin is a speculative asset that has already had its best possible year, has reached parity with gold ETFs on a risk-adjusted basis, and is not a place to be overweight long at $100,000. He suggests booking profits and waiting for normalization because if the S&P 500 has a 10% correction, Bitcoin could drop about 30%.
Mike McGlone Senior Commodity Strategist, Bloomberg Intelligence 21:29
S&P 500 faces 10% correction
McGlone predicts the S&P 500 will have its first 10% correction since Q4 2023 because risk assets are priced for perfection and the market has priced in complete optimism for the new government. He sees tariffs and government job shakeups as potential catalysts.
Mike McGlone Senior Commodity Strategist, Bloomberg Intelligence 23:24
MicroStrategy overvalued after short squeeze
McGlone calls MicroStrategy silly expensive, driven by a short squeeze and speculative crypto froth, making it an unattractive asset to own.
Mike Lee Founder, Michael Lee Strategy 26:32
S&P 500 reaches 7500
Lee is very bullish on the S&P 500, projecting 10-15% gains over the next three months to new all-time highs and roughly 7,500 a year from now. He cites hedge funds being offsides with long exposure at five-year lows, institutions and retail chasing back in after selling, China de-escalation, better earnings, tariffs not causing inflation, and potential Fed rate cuts.
James Seyffart ETF Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence 27:50
Bitcoin demand from advisors grows
Seyffart sees the next wave of Bitcoin demand coming from advisors, institutions, and corporations adopting a Bitcoin standard or small 1-2% allocations as platforms slowly allow Bitcoin ETFs. He notes regulatory tailwinds and a disconnect between improving underlying fundamentals and recent price weakness.
James Seyffart ETF Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence 29:36
Crypto index ETFs drive demand
Seyffart expects crypto index ETFs by July or August that will hold mostly Bitcoin and Ethereum plus five to eight other assets. These products should attract advisors who prefer index exposure, creating another wave of demand for crypto assets.
Ed Yardeni President, Yardeni Research 32:31
S&P 500 enters melt-up
Yardeni has a base case of a Roaring 2020s market with S&P 500 targets of 6,000, then 6,500 in 2026 and around 8,000 by the end of the decade, with a 20% melt-up scenario similar to the 1990s. He became more bullish under Trump 2.0, citing animal spirits, corporate tax cuts from 21% to 15%, deregulation, and potential DOGE spending restraint.
Benjamin Cowen Founder & CEO, Into the Cryptoverse 38:42
Bitcoin Q3 seasonal pullback likely
Cowen warns that Bitcoin likely faces a pullback in Q3 due to seasonality: August and September are historically the worst months, and post-halving years have often marked cycle tops. He says the current spring strength may last a bit longer, but investors should be aware of a likely Q3 correction.
Chris Vermeulen Chief Market Strategist, TheTechnicalTraders 41:08
S&P/Nasdaq breakout then reversal
Vermeulen says the S&P 500 and Nasdaq are testing all-time highs; if the S&P breaks and holds above its February high, shorts may be forced to cover and a new bullish trend could form. However, he warns this could be a shakeout or double top, with a possible 5-8% rally over a couple of weeks followed by a sharp reversal.
Arthur Hayes CIO, Maelstrom & CEO, Flop Labs 43:55
Bitcoin reaches 1 million by 2028
Hayes targets $250,000 Bitcoin by the end of the year and $1 million by 2028, driven by roughly $9 trillion of money printing via Fannie and Freddie, banks buying Treasuries due to leverage-ratio exemptions, and more lending into the real economy. He argues Bitcoin's fixed supply and small market cap make it the best-performing asset, and he sees it as a hedge against bond-market volatility.
Arthur Hayes CIO, Maelstrom & CEO, Flop Labs 46:56
Emerging markets benefit from repatriation
Hayes says that if foreign capital leaves the US due to capital controls, US markets may not do well, while repatriated money could benefit local emerging markets. He specifically says it may be better to own Taiwanese, Indonesian, or Thai stocks as currencies appreciate, consumers get wealthier, and domestic business builds.
Arthur Hayes CIO, Maelstrom & CEO, Flop Labs 46:56
Emerging markets benefit from repatriation
Hayes says that if foreign capital leaves the US due to capital controls, US markets may not do well, while repatriated money could benefit local emerging markets. He specifically says it may be better to own Taiwanese, Indonesian, or Thai stocks as currencies appreciate, consumers get wealthier, and domestic business builds.
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Speakers: Thomas Hayes, Matthew Sigel, Jan van Eck, Mike McGlone, Mike Lee, James Seyffart, Ed Yardeni, Benjamin Cowen, Chris Vermeulen, Arthur Hayes  · Tickers: RSP, SPY, BTC, GLD, MSTR, Crypto index ETFs (Bitcoin/Ethereum plus 5-8 assets), QQQ, THD, EWT, EIDO, EEM