Scott Bessent: Fixing the Fed, Tariffs for National Security, Solving Affordability in 2026

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  December 22, 2025 at 20:58  |  56:58  |  All-In Podcast
Speakers
Scott Bessent — Treasury Secretary
Jason Calacanis — Angel Investor / Founder, LAUNCH
Chamath Palihapitiya — CEO, Social Capital

Summary

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent joins the All-In hosts for a first-year review, arguing that 2025 'set the table' with a modest fiscal contraction, tariff-driven trade deals and a capex boom, and that 2026 will be the 'feast' for Main Street. He defends tariffs as a disinflationary national-security tool, says inflation is rolling over as gasoline and rents fall, and blames the Fed's prolonged QE for inflated asset prices and inequality while describing the Fed-chair search. He also outlines community-bank deregulation, government equity stakes in strategic industries (semiconductors, pharma, steel, shipbuilding), a coming Q1 tax-refund wave and Trump accounts to broaden equity ownership.

  • Bessent forecasts a $200-300B calendar-2025 fiscal contraction with nominal growth near 6%, taking deficit-to-GDP from 6.8% to the mid-5s, targeting a 3-handle by the end of Trump's term.
  • Tariffs are framed as national-security leverage (fentanyl, rare earths) and disinflationary per a San Francisco Fed study; a Supreme Court IEEPA ruling is expected in January-February, with 301/232/122 authorities as fallback.
  • Affordability: gasoline expected to keep falling behind oil, rents down about 5% as migrants leave, real incomes up about 1.8%; the October BLS inflation print is defended as accurate.
  • Fed critique: QE ran far too long, inflated asset prices and inequality, and the Fed now loses about $100B a year; chair candidates Warsh, Hassett, Waller and Rieder favor a smaller, more predictable Fed.
  • Bessent wants a Bundesbank-style bargain in which fiscal restraint lets the Fed cut rates, noting US Treasuries were the best-performing bond market last year.
  • Community-bank deregulation aims to unleash Main Street lending; government equity stakes are concentrated in 5-8 strategic industries including semiconductors, pharma precursors, steel and shipbuilding.
  • Tax bill: permanent expensing drives a capex boom (Boeing expanding its Charleston Dreamliner plant 50%), Q1 2026 refunds of $1,000-2,000 per household, and Trump accounts to move the 38% of Americans without equities into the market.
Ideas
Scott Bessent Treasury Secretary 18:04
Gasoline should fall further behind oil.
Bessent says affordability starts with getting prices under control and singles out energy: oil is already down substantially and gasoline follows it with a lag, so he expects pump prices, which are already falling, to come down much more. He also points to the observable drop in energy and gasoline prices since September-October as support for the softer inflation prints and the administration's affordability push.
Scott Bessent Treasury Secretary 31:09
Deficit discipline supports disinflation and lower yields.
Asked why the 10-year yield sits at 4.2-4.6%, Bessent blames Biden-era deficits that the Fed effectively financed (an MIT study attributes about 42% of the inflation to the budget deficit and another 17% to inflation expectations). The administration's plan is to stabilize and then shrink the deficit, which he says will contribute to disinflation, and he wants a Bundesbank-style bargain in which fiscal restraint lets the central bank lower interest rates. He adds that US Treasuries were the best-performing bond market last year on fiscal progress and well-anchored inflation expectations, and that inflation is starting to roll down.
Scott Bessent Treasury Secretary 43:53
Deregulation boosts community bank lending and profits.
Bessent says small and community banks suffered most under post-GFC regulation ('too small to succeed'), with about half of them disappearing since the crisis. Treasury is now loosening the regulatory regime for these banks to unleash their lending capacity, which he expects to lift their profitability and let them lend more into their communities. They provide roughly 70% of ag lending, 30-40% of real estate lending and 40% of small-business lending, so he promises a bigger availability of Main Street credit in 2026.
Scott Bessent Treasury Secretary 48:13
Government backs reshoring of strategic industries.
Defending the administration's equity stakes in key companies, Bessent says the US has identified five to eight strategic industries that must have domestic or North American production for national security, because COVID showed the most efficient supply chain is not the safest and China and India acted as unreliable suppliers. He names semiconductors (97% of advanced chip manufacturing is in Taiwan, which he calls the biggest threat to the US economy, bigger than the 1970s oil embargo), pharmaceuticals (80-90% of precursor chemicals come from China and India), steel and shipbuilding as the areas where government interventions and stakes will be concentrated, likening it to World War II economic mobilization.
Scott Bessent Treasury Secretary 51:09
Boeing expands Dreamliner plant on trade deals.
As evidence that the 2025 capex boom will accelerate in 2026, Bessent cites Boeing, the largest employer in his hometown of Charleston, South Carolina, which is expanding its Dreamliner plant by 50% as a result of the administration's trade deals and the tax bill's permanent immediate expensing for equipment and factories.
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