Markets Ripping, Bitcoin All-Time High, & What's the Trade?

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  October 06, 2025 at 18:23  |  55:33  |  1000x Podcast
Speakers
Avi Felman — Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management
Jonah Van Bourg — Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol

Summary

Avi Felman and Jonah Van Bourg discuss Bitcoin hitting all-time highs in early October, focusing on the breakout after a two-month de-risking period and the broad speculative appetite across crypto and equities. They debate Bitcoin versus gold, Bitcoin options structures, and specific long ideas including BNB, Mantle, Galaxy, Robinhood, uranium, and Plasma. The hosts are broadly bullish but caution on alt chasing, Zcash's one-off rally, and the need for disciplined sizing.

  • Bitcoin broke to all-time highs after a clean de-risking flush.
  • BTC/gold mean reversion supports $150k-$170k year-end targets.
  • Bitcoin call options and call spreads are favored for fast upside.
  • BNB, Mantle, and restricted-supply alts are preferred over VC coins.
  • Galaxy and Robinhood are highlighted as crypto-equity winners.
  • Uranium and Plasma are mentioned as longer-term long ideas.
  • Gold is viewed as a de-dollarization hedge, though Avi is trimming it to rebalance.
  • Zcash's rally is seen as frothy and likely one-off.
Ideas
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 4:43
Bitcoin breakout targets $150k-$160k.
Bitcoin recovered all of its two-month de-risking in one week, and the market is respecting breakouts; this pattern resembles ETH's breakout above $3,700 that ran to roughly $5,000 and sets Bitcoin up for $150k-$160k.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 8:35
Long restricted-supply BNB and Mantle.
In a speculative environment driven by flows, assets with restricted supply and few sellers benefit most. BNB is parabolic and Asia is awake, while Mantle is Bybit's equivalent and doing well; both can be held for an extended period.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 12:16
Gold benefits from de-dollarization flows.
Post-Ukraine, gold has entered a new paradigm as a de-dollarization and diversification hedge, with China and other countries reducing USD exposure; this structural bid supports continued gold strength.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 13:44
BTC/gold reversion implies $150k-$170k.
Denominate Bitcoin in gold to strip out dollar debasement noise. BTC/gold is at the lower end of its post-2023 trend channel near 32; mean reversion to the middle near 40 by year-end implies Bitcoin around $156k if gold is flat, and $160k-$170k+ if gold keeps rallying.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 15:25
Trim gold/silver, rebalance into Bitcoin.
Gold and silver have run hard—silver up 40% and gold up 20% since August—so he is trimming/rebalancing out of them into Bitcoin, which remains his core high-conviction asset.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 23:02
Avoid alts; Bitcoin opportunity cost too high.
He is not confident investing in alts now because Bitcoin's opportunity cost is extreme, most alts are doing nothing or lagging, and buying after a pop leaves you behind; only dabble with a small percentage.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 25:26
Zcash rally is unsustainable; likely reverses.
Zcash's doubling was likely a one-off liquidity event from someone moving money privately rather than sustainable adoption; it is more likely to go back down after the buyer exits, and post-rally theses are cope.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 26:53
Favor restricted-supply alts, avoid VC coins.
With Bitcoin breaking out and speculative flows returning, active traders should look at alts that haven't moved and have restricted supply, because they can move sharply with few sellers; avoid VC coins like ENA that have heavy supply overhang.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 27:39
Uranium will continue to outperform.
Uranium has already run 22-23% since they discussed it and he thinks it will continue to do extremely well.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 27:51
Long Galaxy as brokerage compression trade.
Galaxy One is a fully integrated brokerage bridging TradFi and crypto, led by Zach Prince on a BlockFi redemption arc; Galaxy has a strong risk team, a compression trade versus Coinbase/Robinhood's much larger market caps, data-center/AI optionality, and meme-stock potential, and it trades up more/down less than Bitcoin.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 35:10
Robinhood has 10x potential in five years.
Robinhood is 5% of his book because there is a reasonable chance it 10x's in five years, though he is only 50-60% confident. It benefits from speculative trading flows and crypto revenue.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 46:02
Plasma is a volatile 10-bagger candidate.
After XPL's selloff, it looks good again; Plasma could capture a significant chunk of the global financial ecosystem and become a 10-bagger over the medium to long term, but investors must stomach insane volatility.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 46:44
Buy Bitcoin calls after breakout.
Bitcoin calls are most mispriced right after a big breakout because Bitcoin is reflexive and implied vol/gamma do not immediately reprice; if Bitcoin has a high chance of reaching $150k within a month, calls offer cheap leverage. Buy upside Bitcoin calls.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 51:20
Buy Dec 150 BTC calls/call spread.
For smaller portfolios, buy December $150k Bitcoin calls to get 3-10x if Bitcoin hits $180k by year-end; a one-by-one call spread avoids the mark-to-market risk of being short the $200k call.
Up Next

This 1000x Podcast video, published October 06, 2025, features Avi Felman, Jonah Van Bourg discussing BTC, MANTLE, BNB, GLD, SILVER, ALTCOINS, ZEC, URA, GLXY, HOOD, XPL, Bitcoin call options, BTC Dec 150 call, BTC call spread. 14 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Avi Felman, Jonah Van Bourg  · Tickers: BTC, MANTLE, BNB, GLD, SILVER, ALTCOINS, ZEC, URA, GLXY, HOOD, XPL, Bitcoin call options, BTC Dec 150 call, BTC call spread