Markets Ripping, Bitcoin All-Time High, & What's the Trade?

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  October 06, 2025 at 22:20  |  56:21  |  1000x Podcast
Speakers
Avi Felman — Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management
Jonah Van Bourg — Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol

Summary

Avi Felman and Jonah Van Bourg discuss Bitcoin’s breakout to all-time highs after a two-month de-risking period. Jonah frames BTC versus gold via a trend channel and pitches December 150 Bitcoin calls. They debate whether the rally is spilling into alts and speculative equities like Galaxy, Robin Hood, and Zcash. Avi also highlights BNB/Mantle, uranium, and Plasma while emphasizing Bitcoin as the core high-conviction position.

  • Bitcoin hit all-time highs after a two-month de-risking flush, with both hosts bullish.
  • Jonah uses BTC/gold mean reversion to target $150K-$170K by year-end.
  • Jonah pitches Bitcoin December 150 calls/call spreads as cheap leverage.
  • Avi favors restricted-supply alts BNB and Mantle, plus Galaxy, Robin Hood, and uranium.
  • Galaxy One brokerage and data center exposure are highlighted as upside catalysts.
  • Zcash’s doubling is treated as a speculative late-cycle signal, not a clean long.
  • They debate alt season and ETH catch-up, but Avi prefers Bitcoin as the core allocation.
  • Portfolio sizing and concentration framework for high-conviction bets are discussed.
Ideas
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 4:26
Bitcoin breakout targets $150K-$160K.
After two months of de-risking, Bitcoin sold off to around $108K and then recovered the entire move in one week with clean positioning; that kind of fast recovery forces recently de-risked traders back in and sets up a face-ripping rally toward $150K-$160K.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 8:29
Restricted-supply BNB and Mantle rise.
In a market where speculative flows are chasing assets, restricted-supply tokens with few sellers can move sharply. BNB is drifting up in a parabola and Mantle is strong; Avi already has a BNB trade and thinks it can be held for an extended period.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 13:20
BTC/gold reversion implies $150K-$170K.
Bitcoin should be evaluated against gold to strip out dollar debasement; the post-2022 BTC/gold trend channel is near the low end around 32, and mean reversion to the mid-channel around 40 by year-end implies BTC around $150K-$160K if gold is flat and $160K-$170K if gold keeps rallying.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 14:54
Trim gold and silver into Bitcoin.
Gold has run up sharply and Avi’s silver position is up 40%, so he is trimming/rebalancing gold and silver into the rest of his portfolio, including BTC, because gold’s rally also raises BTC’s relative ceiling.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 19:27
Alt season starting, but stay cautious.
With Bitcoin above all-time highs, speculative appetite is spilling into alts; Zcash doubling is a signal alt season may be starting, but Avi is not confident in alts and only dabbles with a small percentage because BTC’s opportunity cost is extreme.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 19:56
Avoid Zcash; rally looks late-cycle.
Zcash’s sharp rallies have historically occurred late in cycles and with thin liquidity; the recent doubling looks like a one-off flow/cope rally rather than a durable adoption move, so it is not a good long and can be avoided.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 26:17
Zcash likely mean-reverts lower.
Zcash likely moved because a few buyers used it for private transfers in an illiquid market, not because of a real fundamental shift; it is more likely to go back down once that buying stops and is not a predictable trade.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 28:26
Robin Hood can 10x in five years.
Robin Hood is levered to retail speculation and crypto inflows; it has massively outperformed and should continue to do well. Avi holds it at 5% of his book because he sees a reasonable chance it 10xs over five years with 50-60% confidence.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 28:29
Uranium will continue higher.
Uranium is up 22-23% since they last discussed it, and Avi thinks it will continue to do extremely well.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 29:56
Galaxy up 74%, not crowded.
Galaxy has doubled off early-September lows and is up 74% in a month, but Avi still does not think the trade is particularly crowded and sees it as one of the clearly good investments outside BTC.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 30:48
Galaxy compression trade can 6x.
Galaxy One is the first fully integrated stock-and-crypto brokerage, and Galaxy also has a data center business. Jonah views Galaxy as a compression trade to Coinbase/Robin Hood market caps with meme-stock potential, possibly a 6xer, and it trades up more than BTC on up days and down less on down days.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 38:39
Ethereum can be concentrated with Bitcoin.
Ethereum can be a high-conviction concentration alongside Bitcoin; if BTC leads above all-time highs, ETH and alts may catch up, though ETH itself has not yet broken its old high.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 46:51
Plasma can tenbag over long term.
After XPL’s selloff, Plasma looks attractive again; Jonah thinks it could take over a significant chunk of the global financial ecosystem and become a tenbagger over the medium to long term, but investors must stomach extreme volatility.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 47:59
Buy Bitcoin December 150 calls.
After a breakout, Bitcoin is reflexive and tends to move fast; call options do not immediately reprice, so implied vol/gamma is cheap. Buy December 150 calls or a call spread; if BTC reaches 180 by year-end the 150 call can 10x, and IBIT options are a viable route.
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This 1000x Podcast video, published October 06, 2025, features Avi Felman, Jonah Van Bourg discussing BTC, MANTLE, BNB, GLD, SILVER, ALTCOINS, ZEC, HOOD, URA, GLXY, ETH, XPL, BTC December 150 call options. 14 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Avi Felman, Jonah Van Bourg  · Tickers: BTC, MANTLE, BNB, GLD, SILVER, ALTCOINS, ZEC, HOOD, URA, GLXY, ETH, XPL, BTC December 150 call options