People Don’t Realize ‘How Bad This Could Get’; Gold To $7,000 In Dollar Crisis

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  April 22, 2025 at 04:59  |  59:07  |  The David Lin Report
Speakers
Luke Gromen — Founder, Forest for the Trees
Jim Thorne — Chief Market Strategist, Wellington-Altus Private Wealth

Summary

Luke Gromen and James Thorne debate the outlook for the US dollar, Treasury market, inflation, and gold. Luke argues Trump administration policies are forcing capital out of US paper assets, making gold and T-bills his highest-conviction holdings while he expects Treasury yields to rise until policy caps them. Jim sees a managed dollar decline and lower rates as necessary, expects a near-term reflation/relief rally in Bitcoin and the Nasdaq 100, and remains long-term bullish on the S&P 500 for demographic reasons.

  • Luke says the Trump administration's America First investment policy aims to reverse global capital and trade flows, pressuring US financial assets and the dollar.
  • He expects a US debt downgrade and Treasury yields to keep rising until yield curve control or other caps are imposed.
  • Luke favors gold and T-bills near term, sees the DXY eventually in the 70s, and expects a weaker dollar to benefit EM, EM banks, Bitcoin, and stocks longer term.
  • Jim calls for a managed US dollar decline and lower rates into 2027, arguing negative real rates are needed and US Treasuries become relatively more attractive.
  • Jim targets gold at $5,000 by end-2028 and likes junior gold miners, Bitcoin, and the Nasdaq 100 in a reflation/relief rally.
  • Jim remains long-term bullish on the S&P 500 due to demographics and expects the structural crisis later, while Luke is near-term bearish equities but longer-term bullish.
  • Both discuss stablecoins, Bitcoin-backed bonds, and a possible new global monetary system as potential responses to unsustainable debt.
Ideas
Jim Thorne Chief Market Strategist, Wellington-Altus Private Wealth 7:39
Managed dollar decline is needed now.
A managed decline of the US dollar is the first necessary step to rebalance the global economy. The DXY decline is exactly what is needed now, provided the dollar system itself and the Treasury market franchise remain intact.
Luke Gromen Founder, Forest for the Trees 14:28
Avoid long Treasuries as yields rise.
US interest expense plus entitlement spending is already above receipts, receipts are tied to stock prices and will fall, and a recession could push interest-like obligations to 120-130% of receipts. That makes a downgrade likely and Treasury yields should rise until policy forcefully caps them, so long-duration Treasuries are unattractive and he prefers T-bills.
Luke Gromen Founder, Forest for the Trees 27:30
Dollar is heading structurally lower.
Trump and Bessent want to reverse capital flows and weaken the dollar; the dollar is falling even as tariffs escalate, and if Powell cuts aggressively it could drop into the low 90s, while longer term the DXY may end in the 70s as policy seeks reflation and a weaker currency.
Jim Thorne Chief Market Strategist, Wellington-Altus Private Wealth 43:42
US Treasuries attractive as rates fall.
He expects rates to go down into 2027 and argues negative real rates are necessary to inflate away excessive debt. As other global rates fall while US rates are maintained, US Treasuries become more attractive on a relative basis.
Luke Gromen Founder, Forest for the Trees 45:25
Gold is the key dollar-crisis hedge.
The Trump administration's America First investment policy is trying to reverse 50 years of capital and trade flows, pushing foreign capital out of US paper assets. Gold was notably excluded from tariffs, and official US gold remains far below historical levels relative to foreign-held Treasuries, implying gold can go to about $7,000 in a 1989-style valuation or $12,000+ in a full dollar crisis. He has conviction to own gold even at $3,400.
Luke Gromen Founder, Forest for the Trees 45:25
T-bills are preferred safe harbor now.
With policy uncertainty, capital outflows, and the risk of a dollar crisis, T-bills are one of the only two assets he has conviction in for marginal capital because they avoid long-duration price risk while waiting for clarity. He prefers them to long-term Treasuries until gold/official reserve ratios or yields reset.
Jim Thorne Chief Market Strategist, Wellington-Altus Private Wealth 50:33
Junior gold miners will fly.
If Luke is right about gold, Vancouver's junior gold mining stocks should fly, giving a high-beta way to play the gold thesis.
Jim Thorne Chief Market Strategist, Wellington-Altus Private Wealth 50:47
Gold goes to $5,000 by 2028.
Gold is finally working as expected, the fiat-money and unsustainable-debt backdrop is becoming obvious, and he expects gold to reach $5,000 by the end of 2028, possibly much higher.
Jim Thorne Chief Market Strategist, Wellington-Altus Private Wealth 53:04
Reflation relief rally favors Bitcoin, Nasdaq.
If the Fed cuts aggressively and the dollar falls, global liquidity and reflation should fuel a risk-asset relief rally. He would add Bitcoin and the Nasdaq 100, and he is constructive on markets because a short-term China deal is likely even if it only papers over structural issues.
Luke Gromen Founder, Forest for the Trees 57:05
Near-term equities are very bearish.
In the near term he is very bearish equities because any trade deal likely requires Trump to visibly back down to China, which he doubts, and supply-chain breakdowns could force investors to revisit widely held worldviews. He favors gold and T-bills over stocks for marginal capital now.
Luke Gromen Founder, Forest for the Trees 57:50
Emerging markets benefit from weaker dollar.
A weaker dollar and the ensuing tidal wave of liquidity would be especially powerful for emerging markets and EM banks because much of the world has borrowed in dollars, easing debt burdens and supporting the global economy.
Luke Gromen Founder, Forest for the Trees 57:54
Bitcoin wins from dollar-liquidity wave.
Longer term, if the US dollar falls into the 70s, the resulting tidal wave of liquidity for a world that borrowed in dollars is positive for Bitcoin. He also sees a potential role for Bitcoin as a neutral reserve asset and in stablecoin/Treasury financing structures, though near-term he still prefers gold and T-bills.
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