China Retaliates Against Tariffs: What's Next For Markets, Economy | Gary Shilling

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  February 06, 2025 at 01:35  |  26:20  |  The David Lin Report
Speakers
Gary Shilling — President, A. Gary Shilling & Co.

Summary

Gary Shilling joins David Lin to discuss tariff uncertainty after China retaliated against new US tariffs, and how investors should think about the trade war. Shilling remains strategically long the US dollar and Treasuries, expects de-dollarization to reverse in favor of the dollar during trade conflict, and is cautious on gold because of conflicting drivers. He sees a surplus world with slow growth and favors shorting commodities, especially copper, as a 2025 trade.

  • Tariff uncertainty is high as Canada and Mexico pause while China retaliates.
  • Shilling says US buyer power and excess global supply give the US leverage.
  • US consumer and labor conditions still look strong, but tariff-driven inflation could hurt.
  • He remains long the US dollar and Treasuries as safe-haven and global-currency plays.
  • He dismisses broad BRICS de-dollarization; trade war favors the dollar.
  • Gold is a possible haven but has conflicting drivers and no clear direction.
  • Energy is less central to development than an educated workforce in his view.
  • The Fed is likely on hold, and he favors short commodities, especially copper.
Ideas
Gary Shilling President, A. Gary Shilling & Co. 10:17
Long dollar; global safe haven, no alternative.
He remains long the US dollar as a strategic, long-term position because the dollar is the global reserve currency and global safe haven, the US is the largest economy, and 88% of trade and investment dollar transactions involve the US dollar, leaving no attractive alternative. A trade war should reinforce dollar demand rather than accelerate de-dollarization.
Gary Shilling President, A. Gary Shilling & Co. 12:50
Long Treasuries; alternatives are unattractive.
He confirms he is long Treasuries. While he is concerned about risk-on appetite prompting a Treasury selloff, he argues investors still need a place to park funds and he does not think they will want to hold euros, yen, or other currencies instead; central banks also tend to manage currency stability.
Gary Shilling President, A. Gary Shilling & Co. 25:01
Short commodities in surplus, slow-growth world.
He expects a surplus world with slow or slowing economic growth, so he says commodities are the most interesting short-side play; in managed portfolios he is short commodities.
Gary Shilling President, A. Gary Shilling & Co. 25:07
Short copper on weak global industry.
Within commodities, he specifically likes copper on the short side because copper is a good indicator of global industrial production and is used in almost every manufactured product; a surplus world and slow global growth should weigh on it.
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