Copper Founder: Building a Billion Dollar Company & Fixing Crypto Custody

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  March 30, 2026 at 14:00  |  53:38  |  Empire

Summary

  • The crypto industry narrative has shifted; it was built by crypto-native companies (like Circle, Blockworks) hoping institutions would come, rather than being saved by them.
  • Traditional assets moving on-chain represent the next wave, but it's unclear if institutions or crypto-native players will lead this transition, with infrastructure companies like Copper/Bron positioned for both scenarios.
  • The custody market consolidated around MPC (Multi-Party Computation) technology, with institutional competitors (Anchorage, Coinbase Custody, Fireblocks, BitGo) all based in the US, leaving Copper as the primary non-US institutional option.
  • Scaling a company too fast (e.g., from 36 to 236 people in a year) is a critical mistake that destroys culture and control, a lesson learned from the zero-interest-rate era and observed in FTX's collapse.
  • Bron is a "gen 3" self-custody wallet for individuals/family offices, applying institutional MPC technology to solve retail problems: loss/recovery, inheritance, fraud protection, and resistance to physical attacks/social engineering scams.
  • Bron's business model is experimental: a 100% utility token with a fixed supply and KPI-based unlocks (tied to user growth), with no equity company; subscription is an alternative for users who don't want token exposure.
  • The current self-custody infrastructure for retail (seed phrases, hardware wallets) is dangerously inadequate given the scale of assets, leading to massive, permanent loss from death, disaster, or crime.
  • For founders, the current AI tooling (like Claude Code) dramatically lowers the barrier to building, making it the best time ever for technical founders to start companies without large teams or capital raises.
  • Despite AI, human salespeople and IRL events will become more valuable as differentiators in a saturated information environment where AI cannot provide accountability or trust.
Trade Ideas
Dmitry Tokarev Founder of Copper & Bron 38:35
Speaker is "super bullish on canton" because "when Wall Street is... writing daml you kind of like don't really need to know more." He notes Daml engineers are already at banks writing code, implying deep, real integration. Canton's technology (Daml) has achieved deep, technical integration within major financial institutions (Wall Street banks). This isn't theoretical partnership talk but actual engineering work, signaling a high probability of future large-scale, production-grade adoption for on-chain traditional finance. LONG. The depth of existing integration within the incumbent financial system provides a tangible moat and a clear path to significant adoption and value accrual as traditional assets move on-chain. Slow time to market or failure of bank-led projects to reach production scale, delaying Canton's growth and adoption timeline.
Dmitry Tokarev Founder of Copper & Bron 49:17
Speaker is "pretty bullish" on the "big three" including "Bitcoin soul." He notes the realized price (global average cost basis) is ~$56k and that Bitcoin historically doesn't dip far below this level. He also bought Bitcoin when it dipped into the $60ks, feeling it was a bottom. The realized price acts as a strong historical support level. Market participants are psychologically bad at realizing paper losses, making a sustained drop below this average cost basis statistically unlikely based on past cycles. LONG. The combination of a key technical metric (realized price) providing support, contrarian buying at perceived lows, and his overarching bullish market view indicates a positive outlook. A macro shock or regulatory event that breaks the historical pattern of the realized price acting as support.
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This Empire video, published March 30, 2026, features Dmitry Tokarev discussing CANTON, BTC. 2 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Dmitry Tokarev  · Tickers: CANTON, BTC