Summary
Jason Calacanis and David Sacks interview Senator Eric Schmitt of Missouri about his book and the Missouri v. Biden lawsuit he brought as state attorney general, which used discovery to document how federal agencies pressured social platforms to suppress speech. The conversation covers Section 230, the Hunter Biden laptop, the Hamilton 68 dashboard and the Russiagate investigation, with Sacks calling much of the Russian-interference narrative a hoax and Calacanis pushing back that Russian hacking of political organizations is documented fact. The last third turns to foreign policy: NATO burden-sharing, a pivot to China, ending open-ended aid to Ukraine and the odds of a negotiated peace. The episode is legal and political throughout and contains no investment or market calls.
- Schmitt recounts filing Missouri v. Biden in 2022 and seeking discovery first, producing tens of thousands of documents and depositions of Fauci and FBI agent Elvis Chan.
- Section 230 debate: Schmitt argues platforms that make editorial or algorithmic viewpoint decisions should forfeit the liability protection.
- Schmitt says he is not an AI doomsayer and expects productivity gains, but fears censorship being built into AI systems.
- Hunter Biden laptop: the panel says the FBI held the laptop from 2019 and primed platforms for months to treat any Hunter Biden story as Russian disinformation.
- Sacks calls Hamilton 68 and the Steele dossier hoaxes; Calacanis counters that Russia demonstrably hacks political organizations including the RNC and Clinton campaign.
- Schmitt expects possible conspiracy-to-defraud charges over Russiagate, naming Comey, Clapper and Brennan as the most likely targets.
- Foreign policy: Schmitt calls himself an American realist, wants NATO allies to spend far more so the US can pivot to the Indo-Pacific, and opposes further blank-check Ukraine aid.
- Sacks cites Gallup data showing Ukrainian support for the war collapsing to 24% and argues Russia lacks the capability to threaten the rest of Europe.