Why There Won't Be An Alt Season This Cycle

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 28, 2025 at 17:02  |  56:07  |  1000x Podcast
Speakers
Jonah Van Bourg — Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol
Avi Felman — Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management

Summary

The hosts discuss the market fallout from DeepSeek, arguing it is an overreaction and a buying opportunity for equities and crypto. They debate whether there will be a broad alt season this cycle, with Jonah arguing no broad alt season but expecting an AI altcoin season, while Ethereum is viewed bearishly and Bitcoin is favored. They cover strategic Bitcoin reserves, L1 dilution and short trades, meme coin collapse, and the thesis that fee-generating crypto protocols will pass revenue back to token holders.

  • DeepSeek selloff seen as technical overreaction; Avi buys equities, Jonah bullish S&P 500 ex-Nvidia.
  • Jonah expects no broad alt season but an AI altcoin season later this year.
  • Bitcoin favored on sovereign/state reserve adoption and liquidation dips.
  • Ethereum viewed as weak; short ETH and long XRP/ETH pair discussed.
  • SUI and other L1s seen vulnerable; Bear Chain launch could drain liquidity.
  • Meme coins mostly bearish, though select communities may persist.
  • Fee-generating protocols like Jito, Jupiter, Uniswap, Maker seen as next trade.
  • Solana viewed as the durable casino for meme coin activity.
Ideas
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 0:00
No broad alt season this cycle.
There will be no broad alt season this cycle because there are too many coins and not enough capital to lift everything; the market has become more efficient and rewards research, so gains will be sector-based rather than a broad alt beta rally.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 2:04
Bitcoin technical selloff is buying opportunity.
The recent selloff is a technical, not fundamental, selloff; crypto fundamentals remain strong, and Bitcoin has held the middle of its range despite a sharp Nasdaq and Nvidia drop. Technical selloffs are good entry points, so he is bullish even though it is not a screaming buy after the rebound.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 7:27
Buy equities on DeepSeek overreaction.
DeepSeek does not justify a market selloff because cheaper AI compute expands AI demand and use cases rather than reducing the need for AI; the selloff is an overreaction and a great buying opportunity, so he used cash to buy equities.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 8:14
Nvidia short-term bearish on data-center risk.
If DeepSeek is real, near-term data center spend could slow, which is short-term bearish for Nvidia; he is skeptical of DeepSeek's claims but sees this as a near-term risk to NVDA.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 9:38
Cheaper AI bullish for S&P 500.
Cheaper AI from DeepSeek is bullish for the rest of the S&P 500: if AI becomes cheaper, more applications and demand will emerge, and lower cost expands volume, making it massively bullish for equities outside the AI infrastructure spend trade.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 15:42
AI altcoin season coming later this year.
Fully expects an AI altcoin season later this year; the catalyst will be AI agents crossing into mainstream usage, with token-related activities, games, and gambling inside agents or terminals driving demand, and tokenomics translating into an AI-focused crypto mania.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 18:49
Short SUI after 50-day break.
SUI broke its 50-day moving average and bounced, which he previously said would be the setup to short; SUI looks vulnerable and the bounce is a good short opportunity.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 19:50
Long XRP, short ETH still works.
The relative trade long XRP and short ETH remains good because XRP has been a standout while ETH has been weak; he is a bit more nervous about the ETH short now but still favors the pair.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 19:50
Long XRP, short ETH still works.
The relative trade long XRP and short ETH remains good because XRP has been a standout while ETH has been weak; he is a bit more nervous about the ETH short now but still favors the pair.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 20:30
Short ETH; sell every pop.
ETH lacks real leadership, the Ethereum Foundation is a joke, Vitalik has checked out, and it will lose its ETF exclusivity as XRP, Solana, and possibly Litecoin ETFs launch; mainnet is awkward and outdated. The trend is down, so sell every pop and short ETH on up days.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 29:17
Buy Bitcoin on sovereign reserve adoption.
The mere discussion of a US strategic Bitcoin reserve and Trump's stated refusal to sell US BTC holdings will prompt early-adopter countries and US states to front-run with their own reserves; Russia, Canada, Brazil, Chile, and states like Texas are already considering it, creating sovereign/state demand. Core crypto portfolios should therefore be mostly Bitcoin because alts are diluted.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 32:25
Avoid alts; core should be Bitcoin.
Alts are structurally diluted and no altcoin has consistently outperformed Bitcoin over long periods; the only reason to own alts is if you have a smaller portfolio and are gunning for the moon. Otherwise, core crypto exposure should be mostly Bitcoin.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 35:19
Long AI crypto leaders and agents.
Higher Bitcoin should bleed into certain sector leaders, especially AI crypto leaders and certain AI agents; there is a lot of innovation in the sector that people are sleeping on, though it is scary to buy now and he is already maxed out on AI.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 37:19
Old-school meme coins are toast.
Old-school meme coins are toast; the random meme coins that people got excited about last summer, such as Whiff, Popcat, and Mei, will go to zero because their communities are depressed and lack staying power. Doge and Trump might perform, but most random memes are not durable.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 37:48
Select meme coins with strong communities.
There will still be meme coins that do well, but it depends on the community: how involved and outrageous the community is. He looks for communities with good vibes despite the meme coin depression and may allocate to them; Trump is a possible candidate.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 38:51
Bear Chain launch hurts L1s, favors Solana.
Bear Chain's launch could be a liquidity suck that pulls TVL from other L1s, making the SUI short especially good because SUI is the only new sexy L1; in general, sell anything that isn't Solana because Solana has potential ETF tailwinds and should benefit from the rotation.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 38:51
Bear Chain launch hurts L1s, favors Solana.
Bear Chain's launch could be a liquidity suck that pulls TVL from other L1s, making the SUI short especially good because SUI is the only new sexy L1; in general, sell anything that isn't Solana because Solana has potential ETF tailwinds and should benefit from the rotation.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 41:35
Buy Bear Chain only below $3B.
Bear Chain is not an interesting trade to him unless the valuation is attractive; if it launches below a $3B FDV he would probably buy, but above $3B he would not touch it.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 41:54
Long revenue protocols, short L1s.
In the new regulatory environment, crypto projects that generate real revenue will figure out how to pass it back to token holders via buybacks, yield, or dividends because they no longer fear the SEC shutting them down for being securities. He is bullish on this and plans to build a basket of the highest revenue-generating projects like Jito, Jupiter, Uniswap, and Maker while shorting L1s such as Optimism, Arbitrum, Avalanche, and Polkadot.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 41:54
Long revenue protocols, short L1s.
In the new regulatory environment, crypto projects that generate real revenue will figure out how to pass it back to token holders via buybacks, yield, or dividends because they no longer fear the SEC shutting them down for being securities. He is bullish on this and plans to build a basket of the highest revenue-generating projects like Jito, Jupiter, Uniswap, and Maker while shorting L1s such as Optimism, Arbitrum, Avalanche, and Polkadot.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 49:12
Short Trump coin to zero.
Trump coin will inevitably go to zero as meme coin communities tire out; he thinks it is a phenomenal short over a multi-year horizon unless Trump becomes God emperor, which he assigns an 18% probability.
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This 1000x Podcast video, published January 28, 2025, features Jonah Van Bourg, Avi Felman discussing ALTCOINS, BTC, Equities, NVDA, SPY, AI-SECTOR, SUI, XRP, ETH, AI agent tokens, WIF, POPCAT, MEI, Select meme coins, SOL, BERA, JTO, JUP, UNI, SKY, OP, ARB, AVAX, DOT, TRUMP. 21 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Jonah Van Bourg, Avi Felman  · Tickers: ALTCOINS, BTC, Equities, NVDA, SPY, AI-SECTOR, SUI, XRP, ETH, AI agent tokens, WIF, POPCAT, MEI, Select meme coins, SOL, BERA, JTO, JUP, UNI, SKY, OP, ARB, AVAX, DOT, TRUMP