Winning the AI Race Part 1: Michael Kratsios, Kelly Loeffler, Shyam Sankar, Chris Power

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  July 23, 2025 at 21:04  |  1:34:25  |  All-In Podcast
Speakers
Michael Kratsios — Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, The White House
David Sacks — General Partner, Craft Ventures
Chris Power — Founder and CEO, Hadrian
Jake Loosararian — Founder and CEO, Gecko Robotics
Shyam Sankar — CTO, Palantir Technologies
Paul Buchheit — Partner Emeritus, Y Combinator
Keith Rabois — Managing Director, Khosla Ventures
Kelly Loeffler — Administrator, Small Business Administration
Chamath Palihapitiya — CEO, Social Capital
Jason Calacanis — Angel Investor / Founder, LAUNCH

Summary

All-In's first Washington DC event, Winning the AI Race, was staged on the day the White House published its AI Action Plan, and pairs the besties with administration officials and operating founders. David Sacks and OSTP director Michael Kratsios lay out the plan's innovation, infrastructure and ecosystem pillars, including categorical exclusions that would let data centers and power generation be built on federal land, plus the risk of a 50-state regulatory patchwork. Founders Chris Power of Hadrian and Jake Loosararian of Gecko Robotics, together with Palantir CTO Shyam Sankar, argue that AI's near-term payoff is reindustrialization, energy and workforce productivity rather than job destruction. Paul Buchheit and SBA administrator Kelly Loeffler close on cheaper startup formation, small-business lending and where the new jobs come from, with Keith Rabois sketching a barbell of compute giants and AI-enabled small firms.

  • The White House AI Action Plan is published with 90 executive-branch actions across innovation, infrastructure and ecosystem pillars.
  • Kratsios: categorical exclusions would let AI data centers and new power generation be sited on federal land.
  • Sacks warns that over a thousand state AI bills could create a 50-regime patchwork that hurts US competitiveness against China.
  • Chris Power: the US must reshore submarines, ships, munitions, rare earth magnets and drones; tariffs and cheaper energy are the precondition.
  • Gecko Robotics: China is on pace to triple US generation by 2030, while AI-driven efficiency could unlock about 11.9 GW from the existing thermal fleet.
  • Palantir's Shyam Sankar frames AI as worker augmentation and launches an American Tech Fellows trade school for non-degreed workers.
  • Paul Buchheit: capital costs cap the number of foundation models, and Facebook has fallen behind as chatbots cannibalize social media attention.
  • SBA's Kelly Loeffler says loans can now fund AI and advanced manufacturing, while Keith Rabois expects a barbell of compute giants and AI-enabled small businesses.
Ideas
Michael Kratsios Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, The White House 13:53
Permitting relief accelerates AI data center buildout
Kratsios says the binding constraint on US AI infrastructure is permitting and regulatory friction rather than technology, and that the action plan attacks it directly: it calls for categorical exclusions for AI-related activities so that data centers and new power generation can be sited on federal land, coupled with other measures aimed at raising the velocity at which the US can build power and then run those data centers. He frames the regulatory environment for power generators and chip builders as the thing the executive branch can actually change in the next 6 to 9 months.
David Sacks General Partner, Craft Ventures 17:23
State AI rule patchwork threatens US AI
Sacks warns that a real national-security and competitiveness threat is brewing from state-level AI regulation: over a thousand bills are moving through state legislatures, and if that continues the US ends up with a patchwork of 50 different state regulatory regimes instead of one seamless national framework. Because China has declared AI a national priority and understands how strategic it is, hobbling American AI innovation with 50 conflicting regimes would hurt the US in the one race it cannot afford to lose. The action plan deliberately did not declare a preemption policy, but he expects the issue to be forced over the next year.
Chris Power Founder and CEO, Hadrian 18:26
Tariffs and cheap energy revive US manufacturing
Power argues the US hollowed out its industrial base from the 1970s onward, accelerated by opening China and admitting it to the WTO, and now has roughly 250,000 factories against China's 3 million. He says the offshored commercial market is about ten times larger than the defense market, but reshoring it is not possible on economics alone because the CCP nationally subsidizes energy and raw materials while the US degraded its own capacity, including nuclear. His conclusion is that tariffs and trade policy plus cheaper energy are the precondition - about 90% of the cost of aluminum and steel is energy, so energy is the silver bullet - and that AI-run factories supply the productivity and workforce leverage (4x manufacturing productivity, 10x workforce productivity, 20% average US factory uptime today) that the country can no longer get from a shrinking pool of skilled tradespeople.
Chris Power Founder and CEO, Hadrian 20:34
US must rebuild defense production capacity
Power treats defense production as a national-security question rather than an economic one, so it has to be onshore regardless of cost. His evidence: China runs automated munitions factories producing a thousand units a year while the US exhausts its missiles in the first seven days of a war game and needs about three years to replenish them; Chinese shipbuilding capacity is roughly 200 times the US, which built a grand total of five ships last year; pharmaceuticals, drones and iPhones are entirely offshore, with the CCP making US antibiotics. He concludes submarines, ships, munitions, rare earth magnets and drones simply have to be produced domestically, and because defense work is a regulated environment that cannot import labor, the binding constraint is trained American workers plus AI-run factories - the existing skilled base is patriotic Americans in their 60s who are retiring faster and faster.
Jake Loosararian Founder and CEO, Gecko Robotics 37:53
Energy is the binding AI race constraint
Loosararian argues energy, not compute, decides the AI race - the companies and countries that can unlock energy are the ones that will dominate - and the US is losing that leg: China is on pace to triple US generation by 2030, while the DOE estimates only about four years of useful life remain in the assets that power the US grid, implying roughly 100 times more blackouts by 2030 if the trend is not reversed. His counter-argument is that AI should create energy rather than only consume it: robot-gathered physical and operational data lets operators find losses (a plant rated 620 MW running at 580 MW), delivering about 1% efficiency gains per site, which extrapolated across the US thermal fleet is roughly 11.9 GW of new power without putting a shovel in the ground, plus asset-life extensions averaging about 35 years.
Shyam Sankar CTO, Palantir Technologies 52:01
Palantir expands into industrial and healthcare operations
Sankar describes Palantir pushing out of government and defense analytics into frontline industrial and clinical operations - hospitals such as Tampa General and UP Health System Marquette, PRL Industries (a nuclear submarine component supplier that cut a three-day quoting process to minutes), and Panasonic Energy North America - where the value is removing coordination dwell time and dead-weight loss from complex supply chains. He says the area he is most excited about is reindustrialization, that generalized models are only a starting point because specializing to the use case captures alpha, and that Palantir is building its own distribution channel through the American Tech Fellows program: an elite trade school that credentials non-degreed, mechanically intuitive workers in about four weeks and places them with customers to deploy Palantir AI internally, against what he calls enormous customer demand.
Paul Buchheit Partner Emeritus, Y Combinator 71:42
Chatbots cannibalize Facebook; it fell behind
Asked whether Facebook is making the right bet in the AI talent war, Buchheit says the company has clearly fallen behind and that this is a real threat, because Facebook competes directly with AI for attention rather than merely using it: people are switching from Instagram to ChatGPT, and his own kids are not on social media at all - they talk to the AI. He calls the relationship fundamentally cannibalistic and accepts that the aggressive spending is what has to be done, but frames the company as playing catch-up in a category that eats its core product.
Keith Rabois Managing Director, Khosla Ventures 84:27
Barbell: compute giants win, mid-market loses
Rabois expects AI to produce a barbell market structure rather than uniform productivity gains. At one end, the largest compute providers - the Nvidias of the world - benefit as more people and more small firms run compute. At the other end, newly AI-enabled small businesses get free access to market research, legal, accounting and marketing expertise, can build apps on par with large incumbents, and can eliminate G&A (bookkeeping, HR, expense auditing) at close to zero cost, which lowers both the cost and the risk of starting a business. The squeeze therefore lands on mid-market companies, which the smaller businesses eat into after decades of operating at an economic disadvantage.
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