12 Day War, Socialism Wins in NYC, Stocks All-Time High, AI Copyright, Science Corner

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  June 28, 2025 at 05:16  |  1:47:33  |  All-In Podcast
Speakers
Chamath Palihapitiya — CEO, Social Capital
David Friedberg — CEO, The Production Board
David Sacks — General Partner, Craft Ventures
Jason Calacanis — Angel Investor / Founder, LAUNCH

Summary

The core four review the 12-day Israel-Iran war and the US strike on Iran's nuclear sites, arguing Trump threaded the needle between stopping proliferation and avoiding another forever war. They then unpack why oil spiked to about $74 and fell back instead of doubling, debate Zohran Mamdani's democratic socialist primary win in New York and its roots in $2 trillion of student debt, and cover a Chinese stem-cell age-reversal study. The episode closes with the market at all-time highs - a liquidity-driven bull case against a fundamentals-driven bear case, plus Fed chair succession odds - and with the Anthropic and Meta AI copyright rulings.

  • Ceasefire after the 12-day war; the US strike framed as narrow counter-proliferation rather than regime change.
  • Oil spiked toward $74 and retraced; regional de-risking and an expanded Abraham Accords are argued to point to cheaper energy.
  • US energy independence and net-exporter status are credited with insulating the market from a Middle East supply shock.
  • Mamdani's win read as the start of a socialist wave rooted in student debt; one host would short New York real estate.
  • Science Corner: CRISPR-engineered stem cells overexpressing FOXO3 reversed aging markers in 54% of monkey tissues.
  • Bull case for stocks: trillions in money market funds plus Fed cuts could re-rate the S&P toward 7,000.
  • Bear case: records reflect asset inflation and money supply, with the S&P 493 lagging the Mag 7 and Q1 GDP negative.
  • Anthropic and Meta win partial AI copyright rulings; the input-versus-output distinction and fair use are tied to competing with China.
Ideas
Chamath Palihapitiya CEO, Social Capital 31:23
De-risked Middle East supply means cheaper oil.
Going into the Israel-Iran war his fear was that a protracted conflict would take supply offline and roughly double the oil price, with Goldman modelling something just under a doubling. Coming out of it he says the market, as the sum of millions of informed opinions, correctly read that Iran was in no position to do anything but capitulate: Israel had already decapitated Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis, and closing out the Iranian nuclear program also removes the Saudi and Emirati incentive to build their own bomb, which MBS had explicitly warned about. With that risk priced out, Iranian, Saudi, Emirati and Qatari barrels can all be monetised unhindered, and an expected expansion of the Abraham Accords normalises the region and lets producers reinvest the proceeds in higher-ROI projects. He concludes that the whole one-two punch leads to cheaper energy, leaving Iran as the odd party out.
Chamath Palihapitiya CEO, Social Capital 61:32
Short New York real estate under Mamdani.
Mamdani's platform (free buses, a rent freeze, city-owned grocery stores, a $30 minimum wage) is not new: it is copied from the winning platforms of mayors in London, Vienna, Havana and Chicago, and it is a sophisticated A/B tested formula for winning left-leaning metros rather than an economic program. He has watched that platform produce the same result everywhere it is tried: London has become unlivable, with $35 subway fares from the suburbs, endemic phone theft and knife attacks, and Chicago is a disaster. He does not believe New York will be the exception that proves the rule, so with a democratic socialist about to run the city he would be short New York real estate and expects it to crash and burn before the pieces are picked up and the cycle resets.
David Friedberg CEO, The Production Board 79:37
Record index hides weak non-Mag-7 fundamentals.
He does not accept equity prices at records as the best indicator of where the economy is: Q1 GDP growth was negative (later cited at minus 0.5%), there is a real question about the growth outlook for the rest of the year, inflation is still running modestly and the government is running a large deficit. He reads rising multiples as assets inflating on the expectation of rate cuts and an increasing money supply, since in a debt death spiral everything rises in price as money is printed, rather than as a fundamental business upgrade: revenue is not at records across the board, and the S&P 493 are struggling badly relative to the Mag 7, leaving a questionable outlook for the vast majority of equity market cap.
Chamath Palihapitiya CEO, Social Capital 81:21
Rate cuts unleash cash; S&P 7,000.
He calls the free-money trade here being levered long. M2 velocity contracted while rates were high, but as the economy stabilised money started coming back into the system, and that is what gave equities their bid; on top of that, trillions of dollars of dry powder still sit in money market funds and will need to find a home. Powell is in an increasingly untenable position because there is enough data to justify cutting and he will otherwise be seen as politicising the Fed. When cuts come, money leaves money market funds to seek superior returns and the velocity of money rises at the same time, a double bid for equities. With the market already at an all-time high and rates at 4.5%, the only road from here is probably up, and an aggressive cutting program could re-rate the S&P to 7,000 very quickly, which is why he would take most shorts off rather than hedge.
David Sacks General Partner, Craft Ventures 85:34
Buy when media hypes Trump doom.
Asked how to trade this market, he offers one simple rule: any time the media tries to sow doom or spread panic about the Trump administration's policies, that is a good time to buy. He cites Jim Cramer touting a coming Black Monday and Larry Summers constantly warning of disaster; every time the networks put these experts on to say there is chaos and doom, buying the dip has proven excellent. The reason it works is structural rather than political: the media has an incentive to hype chaos for ratings, so the panic is systematically larger than the eventual policy outcome. He calls this a very easy way to trade the Trump presidency.
Jason Calacanis Angel Investor / Founder, LAUNCH 86:37
Trump's extremes settle; ignore 90-day headline panic.
He argues Trump's pattern is deliberate shock and awe followed by a climbdown to a reasonable position the markets can digest, and that this is thoughtful rather than erratic: a 150% tariff threat gets cut by two thirds or made reciprocal, 20 million deportations end up at 500,000 to a million, and smashing Iran ends up as a narrow strike plus a golden bridge out. Because the opening position is never the landing point, investors should take a roughly 90-day view of anything he announces instead of selling the headline, and they will be fine.
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