Trading Crypto's AI Moment In 2025 | 1000x

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 06, 2025 at 18:34  |  36:20  |  1000x Podcast
Speakers
Avi Felman — Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management
Jonah Van Bourg — Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol

Summary

The hosts review a strong start to 2025 for crypto, with AI coins leading and Bitcoin rallying toward prior highs. They debate whether AI agent tokens are utility or meme-like, favoring AI infrastructure while still betting on agents. The discussion covers expected Q1 inflows, ETH and Solana ETF narratives, the bullish post-inauguration regulatory setup, and technical trading frameworks for Sui and other crypto assets.

  • Crypto rallied into year-end with AI coins outperforming and Bitcoin back near 98k.
  • Hosts expect Q1 inflows and a pro-crypto regulatory shift after Gensler's resignation.
  • AI trade splits between agent tokens and infrastructure platforms like Virtuals and ai16z.
  • Ethereum and Solana are framed as beneficiaries of ETF flows and new allocations.
  • Sui is discussed as a liquid technical trading asset with a potential short setup below its 50-day moving average.
  • Macro backdrop is seen as supportive for equities and risk assets, though no negative catalyst is obvious.
  • Technical analysis is debated, with hosts arguing it works best in markets with many uninformed participants.
Ideas
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 1:51
Crypto rallies through inauguration, Q1.
He expects crypto to continue rallying through Q1 and after inauguration day because Gary Gensler's resignation removes a major regulatory overhang. Even without pro-crypto legislation, the absence of that overhang is bullish, and the earlier washout makes the setup more constructive.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 5:39
Buy AI infra, avoid agents.
The AI-token infrastructure layer is the safer way to play the AI trade. Virtuals and ai16z are the main agent-launch platforms, and Virtuals' tokenomics require constant token buying to pay for agent compute, making these feel like buying an L1. He would avoid individual agents because he cannot tell which will rally or go to zero, calling that meme coining without conviction.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 5:39
Buy AI infra, avoid agents.
The AI-token infrastructure layer is the safer way to play the AI trade. Virtuals and ai16z are the main agent-launch platforms, and Virtuals' tokenomics require constant token buying to pay for agent compute, making these feel like buying an L1. He would avoid individual agents because he cannot tell which will rally or go to zero, calling that meme coining without conviction.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 6:36
AI crypto is next mania.
He expects the next crypto mania to be AI-related: over the next three-to-six months, almost everything AI-related could 10-100x, so it is worth allocating a portfolio chunk to the theme even if he does not go massive size.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 8:38
No broad alt season until BTC 110-120.
He does not expect a massive broad-based alt season until Bitcoin reaches roughly $110k-$120k. Until then, the market is likely to be more targeted, so broad altcoin beta is not yet the clean trade.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 9:01
AI agents are new meme coins.
AI coins are the new meme coins and have tremendous appetite because they are novel. Although he is unsure whether the tokens have real utility, he is still betting on AI agents as a speculative sector play.
Jonah Van Bourg Head of Trading, Cumberland / ex-Vitol 9:06
ETH benefits from January ETF flows.
He remains constructive on Ethereum into the new year. New allocations after January and consistent ETH ETF inflows should benefit ETH, potentially producing explosive price action into the inauguration.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 11:19
US equities supported post-Fed.
Equities are supportive again after the S&P and Nasdaq rallied following the Fed. He views the hawkish Fed fears as washed out because the Fed only slowed cuts rather than making a paradigm shift, leaving equities in a good spot.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 12:37
BTC ETF inflows keep coming.
BTC ETF inflows are just the tip of the iceberg. He expects multiple days like the recent $998 million inflow in Q1, sees little outflow risk because CME basis is not high, and expects fresh capital plus FTX distributions to flow back into crypto.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 13:36
Solana ETF approval lifts SOL.
Prediction markets price a high chance of a Solana ETF approval in 2025. He thinks a Solana ETF would launch with more strength than the ETH ETF, attracting new institutional and retail capital, especially after the unlocks, which would be particularly bullish for SOL.
Avi Felman Principal, GoldenTree Asset Management 22:19
Short SUI bounce below 50-day.
Sui is not a strong fundamental L1 but has broad mindshare and no fundamentals, making it a pure technical asset. He would wait for SUI to break below its 50-day moving average for two-to-three days and then short the relief bounce, arguing the trend break should lead to an 80% decline and is a high-hit-rate setup.
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This 1000x Podcast video, published January 06, 2025, features Jonah Van Bourg, Avi Felman discussing Crypto Market, VIRTUAL, AI16Z, AI agent tokens, AI-SECTOR, ALTCOINS, ETH, SPY, QQQ, BTC, SOL, SUI. 11 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Jonah Van Bourg, Avi Felman  · Tickers: Crypto Market, VIRTUAL, AI16Z, AI agent tokens, AI-SECTOR, ALTCOINS, ETH, SPY, QQQ, BTC, SOL, SUI