Is Wintermute Responsible For Crashing The Market? w/ Evgeny Gaevoy

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  February 28, 2025 at 16:34  |  57:29  |  Steady Lads Podcast
Speakers
Evgeny Gaevoy — CEO & Founder, Wintermute
Justin Bram — Reporter, The Block
Jordi Alexander — Founder & CEO, Selini Capital
Taiki Maeda — Founder, HFA Research

Summary

The episode features Evgeny Gaevoy of Wintermute discussing market-maker accusations, the Fartcoin OTC sale, and lessons from the Bybit hack. The hosts and guest debate whether crypto is in a bear market for memes and alts, the case for a flight to quality DeFi and institutional-accessible tokens, and Solana versus Ethereum. Other topics include DOJ scrutiny of LIBRA, Solana unlocks, Pump.fun's planned DEX, and security practices after recent hacks.

  • Wintermute's Evgeny Gaevoy denies market manipulation and explains OTC pre-hedging.
  • The group debates Fartcoin's OTC-driven drop and meme-coin perp listings.
  • Evgeny expects oversupplied memes and alts to lag institutional-accessible or ETF-path tokens.
  • He favors quality DeFi protocols that can share fees or do buybacks under clearer regulation.
  • Solana unlocks are discussed as potentially absorbed by long-term buyers, while ETH needs catalysts.
  • Pump.fun's in-house AMM is seen as a threat to Raydium's flow.
  • Bybit hack, THORChain's handling of stolen funds, and wallet security are reviewed.
  • The show ends with pasta segments and light market banter.
Ideas
Evgeny Gaevoy CEO & Founder, Wintermute 6:23
Evgeny still holds Fartcoin from lows.
Evgeny says he owns some Fartcoin from the lows. He explains that Wintermute pre-hedges OTC sales, so the market often only sees the transfer after hedging, which can cause overreactions; he suggests Fartcoin's post-OTC drop may have been such an overreaction and he still holds a position from low levels.
Evgeny Gaevoy CEO & Founder, Wintermute 8:12
Perp-only Binance meme listings often dump.
Evgeny argues that a perp listing without a spot listing opens the door for anyone to short a token that previously could mainly be sold by holders. In meme coins, especially Binance perp listings, this has become a self-fulfilling bearish setup because traders expect listed tokens to fall and short them.
Evgeny Gaevoy CEO & Founder, Wintermute 11:39
Memes and altcoins face oversupply headwinds.
Evgeny expects a potential bear market in memes and altcoins because the market was oversaturated first with VC coins and then meme coins, and now many VC tokens face unlocks. He expects dislocation between tokens available to institutions and those left to the rest of the market, with many retail-oriented alts and memes underperforming.
Evgeny Gaevoy CEO & Founder, Wintermute 11:49
Institutional-accessible tokens should outperform retail ones.
Evgeny expects tokens with institutional access or ETF paths to outperform tokens available mainly to retail. He notes this is not true for every ETF candidate, citing Litecoin as an asset where institutional interest may be limited.
Justin Bram Reporter, The Block 16:04
Regulation lets tokens capture onchain value.
Justin says the SEC dropping lawsuits against Uniswap, OpenSea, and Coinbase is a fundamental regulatory change. He hopes that over the next four years crypto companies can build more meaningful products and tokens can represent onchain value in a way that actually drives value to tokenholders.
Evgeny Gaevoy CEO & Founder, Wintermute 18:34
Favor quality DeFi with real fee sharing.
Evgeny says clearer SEC/CFTC leadership should allow useful protocols to share value with users through fee switches, distributions, and buybacks. After investors were burned by VC tokens and meme coins, he favors a flight to quality: DeFi protocols with real technology and cash-flow/value-sharing mechanisms rather than speculative tokens.
Jordi Alexander Founder & CEO, Selini Capital 33:45
THORChain faces North Korean flow risk.
Jordi warns that THORChain is processing large volumes of North Korean stolen funds and publicly shrugging off the reputational/legal risk. He notes Chainflip blocked such flows, and says it is not a good idea to be seen as facilitating North Korean hacker money; THORChain may eventually be forced to change.
Evgeny Gaevoy CEO & Founder, Wintermute 40:33
Solana unlocks are absorbed by long-term buyers.
Evgeny is constructive on Solana even with the large unlocks. He says OTC buyers of the Solana unlock supply were competitive bidders willing to hold long term, not quick 2x flippers; Solana's network handled high load without crashing; and its infrastructure positions it to capture the next DeFi or AI meta beyond memes, while Ethereum looks less winning by comparison.
Evgeny Gaevoy CEO & Founder, Wintermute 41:33
Staked ETH ETF could revive Ethereum.
Evgeny says Ethereum can flip the negative narrative if price starts rising, especially if a staked-ETH ETF is approved and institutions begin buying. He notes mainnet gas is very cheap because usage is low, but sees the potential for narrative and flows to change quickly with institutional access.
Justin Bram Reporter, The Block 44:16
Pump.fun DEX threatens Raydium's flow.
Justin highlights that Pump.fun historically routed graduated tokens to Raydium and effectively made Raydium a key beneficiary of meme-coin activity. Pump.fun is now building an in-house AMM/DEX to capture that value itself, which threatens Raydium's flow and franchise.
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Speakers: Evgeny Gaevoy, Justin Bram, Jordi Alexander  · Tickers: FARTCOIN, Meme coins with Binance perp-only listings, Altcoins and meme coins, Institutional-accessible crypto tokens, Crypto tokens with onchain value, Quality DeFi tokens, RUNE, SOL, ETH, RAY