Defense Stocks Outperform as Tech Softens Ahead of Tariff Ruling | The Close 1/8/2026

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 09, 2026 at 00:00  |  1:32:35  |  Bloomberg Markets
Speakers
Jill Carey Hall — Bank of America
Betsy Graseck — Global Head of Banks and Diversified Research, Morgan Stanley
Runa Alam — Co-Founder and CEO, Development Partners International
Berkeley Belknap — Head of U.S. Portfolio Management, Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions
Elizabeth Bell — Co-Head of Real Estate, Hamilton Lane
Rich Gelfond — CEO, IMAX
Bess Freedman — CEO, Brown Harris Stevens
Steven Miran — Chair, Council of Economic Advisers
Norah Mulinda — Market Reporter, Bloomberg
Yotam Segev — Co-Founder and CEO, Cyera
Romaine Bostick — Anchor, Bloomberg
Carol Massar — Anchor, Bloomberg
Raghuram Rajan — Former Governor of the Reserve Bank of India / Professor of Finance
Shannon O'Neil — Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations
Katie Greifeld — Anchor, Bloomberg

Summary

The video covers a bifurcated U.S. market where small caps and the Russell 2000 outperformed while big tech and the Nasdaq lagged. Guests discuss small-cap earnings potential, large-cap bank earnings and capital markets activity, African investment opportunities, global equity allocation, residential real estate and data centers, and IMAX's record box office. Other topics include the pending Supreme Court tariff ruling, defense spending headlines, housing policy proposals, and Fed/tariff macro outlooks.

  • Small caps and Russell 2000 outperformed as investors rotated away from mega-cap tech.
  • Jill Carey Hall and Berkeley Belknap both see strong small-cap earnings growth and rate-cut benefits, though Jill avoids stretched microcaps.
  • Betsy Graseck favors large-cap banks and trust banks BNY/State Street on capital markets and AI-driven operating leverage.
  • Runa Alam is bullish on Africa, citing improving inflation, currencies, GDP growth, and fintech/digitalization IPOs.
  • Berkeley Belknap is positive on global equities and emerging markets while less positive on Europe.
  • Elizabeth Bell favors residential/multifamily real estate, build-to-rent, construction financing, and data-center co-location layers.
  • Richard Gelfond expects IMAX's 2026 slate to outperform a record 2025, with a diversified global platform.
  • Tariff ruling, defense spending, mortgage bond orders, and housing policy remained key macro/policy headlines.
Ideas
Jill Carey Hall Bank of America 4:03
Small caps poised for multi-year leadership
Expects healthy 2.5% U.S. GDP growth and further rate cuts to create a good environment for small caps. The long-awaited profits recovery, cheaper valuations, significantly underweight fund manager positioning, a historically long decade of small-cap underperformance, and U.S. reshoring/capex trends support a potential multi-year period of small-cap leadership. Lower tariffs or an IEEPA reversal would help smaller companies because they have thinner margins and are more hurt by high input costs.
Jill Carey Hall Bank of America 8:04
Microcaps stretched; avoid
Avoids microcaps because they became the most stretched and expensive segment of small caps after strong 2025 outperformance, and she expects them to give back some of that outperformance even though other pockets of the Russell 2000 are not that expensive.
Betsy Graseck Global Head of Banks and Diversified Research, Morgan Stanley 19:32
Large-cap banks benefit from capital markets
Expects a year of positive earnings revisions for large-cap banks as capital markets backlog—M&A, equity capital markets, IPOs—and loan growth drive revenues into 2026. Multiples look relatively high versus history, but significantly higher capital levels make the industry less risky and justify a premium multiple; she is not calling for multiple expansion but expects stocks to perform in line with estimate revisions.
Betsy Graseck Global Head of Banks and Diversified Research, Morgan Stanley 21:30
BNY, State Street AI beneficiaries
Overweight BNY and State Street because she expects positive operating leverage, partly driven by AI rolling through their business models; these trust banks are skewed to being beneficiaries of AI.
Betsy Graseck Global Head of Banks and Diversified Research, Morgan Stanley 21:56
Super regionals need loan growth
She is equal weight on super regional banks because these models need more loan growth acceleration to drive more positive estimate revision expectations; she prefers large-cap banks where capital markets are driving revenues.
Runa Alam Co-Founder and CEO, Development Partners International 24:32
Africa offers compelling investment opportunity
Bullish on African investments because macro fundamentals are improving: inflation has fallen in many countries, devaluations have turned into appreciations, dollar weakness should support African currencies, GDP growth may outpace Asia, and African stock markets have shown strong growth and successful IPOs. Tariffs have little impact because only about 4% of African exports go to the U.S.
Runa Alam Co-Founder and CEO, Development Partners International 28:24
African fintech digitalization drives IPOs
Sees more African IPOs in fintech and digitalization, with digitalization a major venture-capital and private-equity theme across sectors, including app-based revenue migration and microcredit companies turning into fintechs; AI will come to Africa with a lag.
Berkeley Belknap Head of U.S. Portfolio Management, Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions 37:48
Small-cap earnings rebound strong
Expects very strong earnings growth from small caps this year, with Russell 2000 earnings growth potentially around 45%, about three times the S&P 500, although the base is very weak. Rate cuts would be a huge benefit for small caps, especially the roughly one-third of Russell 2000 companies that are non-earners and highly reliant on debt.
Berkeley Belknap Head of U.S. Portfolio Management, Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions 40:33
Emerging markets favored over Europe
More positive on emerging markets than Europe; EM was the strongest performer last year, inflation is under control, growth numbers look solid, and while multiples may be high in some markets, earnings growth is strong.
Berkeley Belknap Head of U.S. Portfolio Management, Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions 40:36
Europe less attractive after multiple expansion
Less positive on Europe's index because much of last year's growth came from multiple expansion rather than fundamentals, leaving question marks; he prefers emerging markets and other global equities.
Berkeley Belknap Head of U.S. Portfolio Management, Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions 41:06
Positive on global equities broadly
Pretty positive about all global equities because the whole world looks like it is having strong growth and manageable inflation, with generally positive conditions across equities worldwide.
Elizabeth Bell Co-Head of Real Estate, Hamilton Lane 73:35
Bullish on multifamily residential
Very bullish on residential real estate generally because there is a global affordability crisis and insufficient supply. She focuses on multifamily for-rent development, where the asset class is established, exits are more certain, the market is liquid, and urban population density and job growth create demand.
Elizabeth Bell Co-Head of Real Estate, Hamilton Lane 74:02
Construction financing offers strong returns
Sees an opportunity to provide residential construction financing because lending standards are very tight, and stepping in to get more money into the system to build new homes can generate strong investor returns while helping address the supply shortage.
Elizabeth Bell Co-Head of Real Estate, Hamilton Lane 74:48
Build-to-rent demand remains strong
Likes build-to-rent single-family housing because many families are forced renters after post-GFC mortgage standards tightened, creating a large demand pool for safe, affordable, desirable rental housing; she prefers this to scattered single-family rentals but still sees a place for both.
Elizabeth Bell Co-Head of Real Estate, Hamilton Lane 77:48
Data center supply chain attractive
Likes data centers, especially the hyperscaler facilities on the outskirts where development yields have compressed and stabilized purchases are expensive but insurance capital fits. She is also looking at the co-location and carrier-hotel layers closer to the urban core that are required to move data from hyperscalers to end users.
Bess Freedman CEO, Brown Harris Stevens 80:36
NYC housing recovering gradually
New York City residential real estate had a good 2025 recovering from a challenging 2024, with more people entering the market. Prices have been fairly flat, and she expects inventory to increase only gradually—slow and steady progress rather than an explosive rebound—with lower rates likely bringing more buyers and sellers.
Rich Gelfond CEO, IMAX 85:55
IMAX 2026 slate looks stronger
Bullish on IMAX into 2026 because the 2026 film slate—including Avatar, a new Mandalorian Star Wars movie, The Odyssey, Narnia with Netflix, and Dune 3—should have a bigger impact than 2025. IMAX is a diversified global platform with only about one-third of revenue from North America, record alternative content, more filmmakers using IMAX cameras, and a recession-resistant business model.
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This Bloomberg Markets video, published January 09, 2026, features Jill Carey Hall, Betsy Graseck, Runa Alam, Berkeley Belknap, Elizabeth Bell, Bess Freedman, Rich Gelfond discussing IWM, IWC, KBE, BNY, STT, KRE, AFK, African fintech, African digitalization, EEM, VGK, VT, U.S. residential real estate, Multifamily housing, Residential construction financing, Build-to-rent housing, Single-family rentals, DTCR, Carrier hotels, New York City residential real estate, IMAX. 17 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Jill Carey Hall, Betsy Graseck, Runa Alam, Berkeley Belknap, Elizabeth Bell, Bess Freedman, Rich Gelfond  · Tickers: IWM, IWC, KBE, BNY, STT, KRE, AFK, African fintech, African digitalization, EEM, VGK, VT, U.S. residential real estate, Multifamily housing, Residential construction financing, Build-to-rent housing, Single-family rentals, DTCR, Carrier hotels, New York City residential real estate, IMAX