Bloomberg Surveillance 2/4/2026

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  February 04, 2026 at 16:56  |  2:24:14  |  Bloomberg Markets
Speakers
Lisa Abramowicz — Anchor, Bloomberg Television and Radio
Jonathan Ferro — Anchor, Bloomberg Television
Chris Verrone — Head of Macro, Piper Sandler
Mandeep Singh — Senior Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence
Pierre Ferragu — Analyst, New Street Research
Eric Freedman — Professor, Hofstra University
Libby Cantrill — Head of Public Policy, PIMCO
Wei Li — Global Chief Investment Strategist, BlackRock
Jack Caffrey — Portfolio Manager, J.P. Morgan Asset Management
Brad Erickson — RBC Capital Markets
Michelle Weaver — US Thematic Strategist
Chen Zhao — Redfin
Drew Reading — U.S. Home Building Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence
James Egelhof — Rates Strategist, BNP Paribas
Gene Seroka — Executive Director, Port of Los Angeles

Summary

Bloomberg Surveillance focused on a sharp selloff in software and private credit after Anthropic launched a new AI legal/document tool, while chips and physical AI infrastructure held up better. Guests debated whether the software disruption is overdone or structural, and discussed rotation into real-economy cyclicals, small caps, international equities, and selective private credit. Other topics included Fed policy and rate-cut expectations, Fannie/Freddie MBS buying, the dollar, housing affordability, tariffs, and upcoming Alphabet/Amazon earnings.

  • Anthropic's new AI tool sparked a roughly $285 billion software rout; private credit and BDCs sold off on software exposure fears.
  • Guests split on software: Mandeep Singh called the selloff overreaction, while others warned legacy software and SaaS models face disruption.
  • Rotation theme: chemicals, regional banks, defense, equal-weight S&P, small caps, and international equities were favored over speculative tech.
  • AI infrastructure, hardware, chips, energy, and data centers were favored over software by BlackRock and other guests.
  • Fed/economy: ADP missed, BNP Paribas expected no 2026 cuts, and Jack Caffrey saw a weak dollar and hot U.S. economy.
  • Fannie/Freddie agency MBS buying was discussed as supporting mortgage spreads and reducing IPO odds.
  • Housing affordability, tariffs, port uncertainty, and upcoming Alphabet/Amazon earnings were also covered.
Ideas
Lisa Abramowicz Anchor, Bloomberg Television and Radio 1:31
SaaS faces acute AI-driven underperformance.
AI disruption is causing acute underperformance in software-as-a-service names because it threatens their high-margin, recurring-revenue business models. She sees the sector's weakness as a forward-looking derating, not just a one-day event.
Jonathan Ferro Anchor, Bloomberg Television 2:05
Software margins, recurring revenue threatened.
The traditional appeal of software stocks—great margins and predictable recurring revenue—is under threat. AI disruption makes margins less safe and recurring revenue less predictable, undermining the core investment case.
Lisa Abramowicz Anchor, Bloomberg Television and Radio 3:12
BDCs opaque software exposure risk.
Private markets and BDCs lack transparency on software exposure; software-related assets in BDCs have risen to 20% from 10% in 2016 and default expectations could exceed 10% if AI disruption escalates. Investors are selling first and asking questions later.
Chris Verrone Head of Macro, Piper Sandler 4:36
Software, private capital long-term downtrends.
Software and private capital remain in long-term downtrends. The recent selloff is not surprising after six months of weakness; near-term capitulation may produce a tactical bounce, but the structural trend is still negative.
Chris Verrone Head of Macro, Piper Sandler 4:59
Rotation into chemicals, banks, defense.
There has been an elegant handoff from speculative tech/software into real-economy cyclicals. Chemicals, regional banks, and defense stocks are absorbing rotation, and the lack of broader spillover from software weakness is comforting.
Chris Verrone Head of Macro, Piper Sandler 10:36
Big banks benefit from smaller Fed.
Kevin Warsh's nomination and a smaller Fed balance sheet should mean bigger big-bank balance sheets. He favors big banks over regional banks and sees this as bullish for the real economy and Main Street versus speculative assets.
Chris Verrone Head of Macro, Piper Sandler 12:22
Equal-weight S&P over Nasdaq.
Prefer equal-weight S&P 500 over Nasdaq/QQQ. As the market rotates from speculative long-duration tech to real-economy cyclicals, equal weight is a better barometer of the broader U.S. economy and should outperform mega-cap tech.
Chris Verrone Head of Macro, Piper Sandler 12:22
Equal-weight S&P over Nasdaq.
Prefer equal-weight S&P 500 over Nasdaq/QQQ. As the market rotates from speculative long-duration tech to real-economy cyclicals, equal weight is a better barometer of the broader U.S. economy and should outperform mega-cap tech.
Chris Verrone Head of Macro, Piper Sandler 13:38
JGB rise supports Japanese financials.
Rising JGB yields are not necessarily bad and may signal reflation. Japanese banks, real estate, and life insurers are making new highs and are less sensitive to the yield move than bears assume.
Chris Verrone Head of Macro, Piper Sandler 14:09
Copper, Aussie, global equities rise.
Copper, the Australian dollar, global equities, and South Korean memory are supported by any of three drivers: resource nationalism, cyclical recovery, or AI demand. He does not need to know which driver is right because the assets should rise if any one is correct.
Mandeep Singh Senior Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence 18:52
Software selloff is an overreaction.
The software selloff is an overreaction. Enterprises will not rip and replace existing software that works well, as seen with mainframes; AI coding and document tools are more incremental than wholesale replacements, so compressed software valuations are overdone.
Mandeep Singh Senior Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence 22:14
Palantir, Meta best positioned.
Palantir and Meta are best positioned among software/AI names because they have demonstrated strong top-line growth and a barbell distribution of earnings beats; few software peers match that profile.
Mandeep Singh Senior Analyst, Bloomberg Intelligence 22:33
Google Cloud growth to accelerate.
Google Cloud should continue to accelerate, unlike Microsoft's cloud disclosure. He expects public cloud growth to remain strong, and Alphabet reports the same evening.
Pierre Ferragu Analyst, New Street Research 36:47
Legacy software franchises challenged by AI.
Legacy software franchises are going to be challenged because AI makes building software easier and more flexible, reducing the need for acquisitions. The market is right to question legacy software's long-term cash-generation assumptions.
Eric Freedman Professor, Hofstra University 53:37
Financial services AI-enhanced, not disrupted.
Financial services is not necessarily disrupted by AI; AI enhances jobs and tools in the space, though there are false positives. He knows the financial services space well and sees it as less vulnerable than software.
Eric Freedman Professor, Hofstra University 56:47
Selective private credit discount opportunity.
There is a selective opportunity in private credit/BDCs trading at massive discounts to NAV. He is not calling an all-clear and wants to underwrite manager processes; a credit-induced recession would be a caution flag, so exposure should be gradual.
Eric Freedman Professor, Hofstra University 58:11
International equities favored on dollar weakness.
They have been dipping into international equities. Dollar weakness is a major driver; Japan benefits from corporate governance reform and breakups, while Europe is weak but incrementally improving with enough stimulus to justify valuations.
Libby Cantrill Head of Public Policy, PIMCO 68:39
Fannie/Freddie MBS buying supports spreads.
Fannie and Freddie have been buying agency MBS and are likely to continue. This supports mortgage spreads and mortgage rates, potentially helps the economy, and decreases the chances of a Fannie/Freddie IPO.
Wei Li Global Chief Investment Strategist, BlackRock 80:16
Favor physical AI infrastructure.
AI and geopolitical fragmentation are driving multi-decade investment needs, and active opportunities are in the physical infrastructure/AI buildout: hardware, chips, compute, energy, and data centers. She favors physical AI infrastructure over virtual/software exposures.
Wei Li Global Chief Investment Strategist, BlackRock 80:30
Software ripe for AI disruption.
Software, especially intelligent user interface, data security, and data repository, is very ripe for AI disruption. She sees software as more exposed and less attractive than physical infrastructure within the AI trade.
Jack Caffrey Portfolio Manager, J.P. Morgan Asset Management 102:44
Small caps benefit from U.S. expansion.
Smaller U.S. companies look constructive as banks are encouraged to lend, lending standards loosen, and the U.S. economy remains hot with GDP over 4%. Companies leveraged to U.S. expansion should benefit.
Jack Caffrey Portfolio Manager, J.P. Morgan Asset Management 106:03
Weaker U.S. dollar.
A weaker U.S. dollar is a short-term idea because the administration appears comfortable with dollar weakness. A lower dollar supports U.S. multinationals and consumer staples that sell in local currencies.
Jack Caffrey Portfolio Manager, J.P. Morgan Asset Management 106:16
Consumer staples benefit from weak dollar.
Consumer staples are the strongest group in the market because they sell food in local currencies that translate back more favorably as the U.S. dollar weakens. The sector is overbought even with the market near all-time highs.
Brad Erickson RBC Capital Markets 126:18
Alphabet differentiated by Gemini and cloud.
Alphabet is differentiated by Gemini model technology, ten businesses north of one billion users, continued search strength, Google Cloud winning large deals, and optionality in chips and margins. Search checks through the quarter showed continued strength.
Brad Erickson RBC Capital Markets 128:46
Internet mega-cap concentration continues.
Further concentration of market cap in internet mega-caps is likely. AI applications and profit pools are still emerging, but the need for compute is certain and value accrues to a relatively few large companies.
Brad Erickson RBC Capital Markets 129:52
Software needs accelerating metrics.
Software companies are in a guilty-before-proven-innocent setup. To recast themselves as AI beneficiaries, they must show accelerating metrics and revenue; until then, the group is a watch item rather than a clean long.
Michelle Weaver US Thematic Strategist 140:55
S&P 500 target 7800.
Morgan Stanley's S&P 500 price target is 7,800 for this year. The market is in a strong position for returns to broaden beyond mega-cap tech, with the earnings picture improving for the median company.
Michelle Weaver US Thematic Strategist 141:17
Russell median fundamentals improving.
Earnings and fundamentals are improving for the median company in the Russell, supporting broader market participation and a more durable rally beyond the largest winners.
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