Gold's 1987 Moment | Animal Spirits 450

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  February 04, 2026 at 14:00  |  1:22:42  |  The Compound News
Speakers
Michael Batnick — Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management
Ben Carlson — Director of Institutional Asset Management, Ritholtz Wealth Management

Summary

The episode covers a fast-moving news cycle including historic gold and silver volatility, the commodity supercycle debate, record emerging-market inflows, and weak crypto sentiment. Hosts also discuss a new Fed chair, AI earnings and tools, housing affordability, and resilient consumer data. They debate whether precious metals are in a boom-bust phase, whether commodities can sustain a supercycle, and what Bitcoin needs before buyers return.

  • Gold and silver saw historic volatility, with silver posting its worst one-day crash ever.
  • The hosts question whether commodities are in a durable supercycle or a compressed boom-bust move.
  • Emerging market ETFs attracted record inflows, tied to dollar weakness and commodity demand.
  • Bitcoin sentiment is poor with no clear catalyst and negative ETF flows.
  • Meta is cited as an AI winner despite massive Reality Labs losses and still-strong margins.
  • Consumer data from Visa, Mastercard, Royal Caribbean, and Amex is seen as more resilient than the K-shaped narrative.
  • Housing affordability and generational wealth divide are discussed without a clear investable trade.
  • The episode ends with streaming, movie, book, and personal-finance recommendations.
Ideas
Ben Carlson Director of Institutional Asset Management, Ritholtz Wealth Management 4:12
Silver is a dangerous boom-bust trade
Silver went parabolic and then suffered its worst one-day crash ever, worse than the 1987 crash, as retail and algorithmic trend-following flows flooded in. Ben treats this as evidence that silver is a dangerous boom-bust asset after the spike.
Michael Batnick Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management 11:19
Commodity supercycle thesis looks overdone
Michael relays Jeff Currie's argument that sanctions and deglobalization are causing central banks and countries to hoard commodities and hard assets, but he is skeptical of a new commodity supercycle. He argues every commodity rally brings supercycle calls and the prior supercycle may have been compressed into roughly 15 months, making him reluctant to chase the narrative.
Ben Carlson Director of Institutional Asset Management, Ritholtz Wealth Management 13:05
Gold likely first lost decade
After gold's parabolic run, Ben says gold is more likely than stocks to have a lost decade first. He views precious metals as boom-bust assets and thinks the recent vertical move raises the risk of a long stretch of poor returns.
Ben Carlson Director of Institutional Asset Management, Ritholtz Wealth Management 22:54
Meta is a winning AI ad play
Meta has lost $80 billion cumulatively in Reality Labs yet still maintains about a 41% operating margin. AI is improving recommendations and Reels engagement, with US watch time up more than 30% year-over-year, making Meta a clear AI winner despite the huge spending.
Michael Batnick Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management 29:15
Bubble rejection is healthy for stocks
Microsoft's underperformance since ChatGPT and the cooling AI trade show market participants are rejecting a bubble. Michael argues that avoiding a bubble and broadening out is healthier for long-term wealth than a narrow AI mania, a positive backdrop for broad US equities.
Michael Batnick Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management 31:07
Emerging market cycle worth watching
Emerging market ETFs smashed monthly inflow records by three times, with flows coming in addition to US allocations. Michael notes historical cycles where long EM underperformance flipped to leadership, but continuation likely needs a weaker dollar and ongoing commodity/physical demand, making it a cycle worth watching.
Michael Batnick Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management 49:44
Bitcoin wait for stabilization
Bitcoin sentiment is very bad and there is no clear ETF-flow catalyst; the average ETF holder is underwater and outflows persist. Michael is not interested in catching the knife now but says he would be happy to buy more if Bitcoin stops crashing and bases, ideally at lower prices.
Michael Batnick Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management 56:22
Middle America consumer stronger than narrative
The K-shaped economy is real at the bottom, but middle America is not as dire as headlines suggest. Michael cites Visa payment volume up 8% on a $4 trillion base, Mastercard saying consumer behavior is unchanged, Royal Caribbean customers feeling financially secure with 40% planning more leisure travel, and American Express younger customers driving spending.
Michael Batnick Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management 59:19
Michael retains IMAX holding
Michael says he sold all of his individual stocks except IMAX, indicating he continues to hold IMAX. No detailed fundamental thesis for the position was given in this episode.
Michael Batnick Managing Partner, Ritholtz Wealth Management 63:02
Food delivery adoption is durable
Michael admits he was wrong to think food delivery was only a pandemic phenomenon. He and others keep using DoorDash and similar services despite high costs, pointing to durable convenience-driven adoption that is decision-useful for DoorDash even if he does not make an explicit stock call.
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