The speaker states, "going out the risk spectrum a little to agency mortgage and commercial mortgage backs is a is a great place to kind of hide out" and calls commercial mortgage backs "our kind of favorite credit space." Agency mortgages offer mid-5% yields with no credit risk, and commercial mortgage-backed securities offer high single-digit yields. The recent backup in spreads and Treasury yields has made these sectors attractive. These fixed-income sectors provide an attractive combination of yield and relative safety (agency) or compelling yield for credit risk (CMBS) in an uncertain macro environment where the Fed is on hold. A severe economic downturn leads to worse-than-expected defaults in commercial real estate, impacting CMBS. A sharp, unanticipated rise in Treasury yields could pressure prices.