The Brutal Truth About Jerome Powell & Future Rate Cuts - David Friedberg

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  July 21, 2025 at 17:26  |  6:56  |  All-In Podcast
Speakers
David Friedberg — CEO, The Production Board
Chamath Palihapitiya — CEO, Social Capital
Jason Calacanis — Angel Investor / Founder, LAUNCH

Summary

An All-In clip on the macro picture after September rate-cut odds flipped from a 25 basis point cut to no change. David Friedberg argues the real US story is the long end of the Treasury curve: the 30-year yield sits at 5%, the highest since 2007, and refinancing 36 trillion of debt away from its 3.3% average rate would push annual interest expense from about 1.2 trillion toward 2 trillion. He says the Fed can only cheapen the short end and that removing Jerome Powell would not fix a problem rooted in spending and taxation. Chamath Palihapitiya adds that the 30-year rose even while the Fed was cutting, so the deficit finally matters, though slower spending, extra revenue and faster growth could start a virtuous cycle of lower rates.

  • September Fed odds flipped from a 25 basis point cut to no change.
  • The 30-year Treasury yield is at 5%, the highest borrowing cost since 2007.
  • 36 trillion of debt at a 3.3% average rate costs about 1.2 trillion a year in interest.
  • Refinancing toward 5% would push interest expense to nearly 2 trillion a year.
  • Fed policy moves the short end, while the long end prices fiscal risk.
  • Friedberg: replacing the Fed chair does not address spending or taxation.
  • Chamath: the 30-year rose while the Fed was cutting, so deficits now matter.
  • Suggested path out: slower spending, consumption-tax revenue and deregulation-driven growth.
Ideas
David Friedberg CEO, The Production Board 0:43
Long-end yields stay high on deficits
The real US problem sits on the long end of the Treasury curve, not with the Fed chair. The 30-year yield is at 5%, the highest government borrowing cost since 2007, because that is what the market demands in order to keep lending to a government that runs a deficit every year. With 36 trillion of debt at a 3.3% average rate, run-rate interest expense is already about 1.2 trillion a year; refinancing toward 5% takes it to nearly 2 trillion, and the number only grows as the outstanding balance grows. The Fed can only make the short end cheaper, and removing Jerome Powell would not change what the market charges for 30-year money, so long-end yields stay elevated until spending and taxation are actually addressed, which makes long-dated Treasury paper unattractive to own.
Chamath Palihapitiya CEO, Social Capital 3:32
Deficits now drive long-end rates higher
The 30-year yield went up after the Fed started cutting, which he treats as empirical proof that the long end is priced off fiscal risk rather than off policy rates. Deficits never mattered while rates kept falling and interest stayed a small share of the budget, but at today's yields, refinancing the debt puts interest expense on track within a few years to become the largest line item in the federal budget, bigger than Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security or the military. Rates do not look like they are going down anytime soon, and only a combination of slower government spending, extra revenue and faster growth would start the virtuous cycle that pulls them back down, so long-dated Treasuries stay unattractive in the meantime.
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