Why Bitcoin Isn't Being Priced as Digital Gold: Bits + Bips

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 21, 2026 at 05:36  |  1:07:57  |  Unchained (Chopping Block)
Speakers
Ram Ahluwalia — CEO, Lumida Wealth
David Duong — Head of Institutional Research, Coinbase
Chris Perkins — President, CoinFund
Austin Campbell — Founder, Zero Knowledge Group; Co-host Bits+Bips (Unchained); Adj. Prof. NYU Stern

Summary

The Bits + Bips panel discusses why crypto market-structure legislation is stalled and whether investors are underpricing eventual regulatory clarity. They debate Bitcoin's failure to act like digital gold amid geopolitical stress, the outlook for international stocks versus US equities, and the significance of NYSE/ICE moving toward tokenized 24/7 markets. The group also covers stablecoin dollarization, Fed leadership uncertainty, and where high-beta market leadership is rotating.

  • Market-structure bill negotiations remain fragile; Coinbase pulled support and Senate politics complicate passage.
  • David Duong says regulatory clarity could unlock trillions from pensions and endowments into crypto, but only gradually.
  • Bitcoin has not behaved like digital gold; post-10/10 market-structure damage and selling pressure are key.
  • Ram Ahluwalia expects international and emerging-market stocks to keep outperforming the US, while David still favors US equities.
  • Chris Perkins sees high-beta leadership rotating from crypto/Robinhood/Palantir/SoFi to space and defense stocks.
  • The panel debates NYSE/ICE tokenized trading, with David calling it a legitimizing moment and Ram worrying incumbents are co-opting crypto.
  • Stablecoin dollarization is expected to continue, and PIMCO/BlackRock are cited as rotating toward non-US debt.
  • Fed chair speculation and debt dynamics create macro uncertainty but no clean trade.
Ideas
Chris Perkins President, CoinFund 18:49
Rotate to space and defense stocks.
Chris sees the bull market's high-beta leadership rotating away from the old guard, including crypto, Robinhood, Palantir, and SoFi, toward a new guard that includes space stocks and defense stocks. He says that is where the money and relative strength are, and a market-structure bill does not suddenly change that.
Austin Campbell Founder, Zero Knowledge Group; Co-host Bits+Bips (Unchained); Adj. Prof. NYU Stern 21:32
Most crypto tokens go to zero.
Austin expects regulatory clarity to be a dividing function for crypto tokens. Under the Gensler regime everything was hypothetical; once clear rules arrive, most tokens will go to zero because they cannot actually deliver, while the winners will be very big. He compares it to tech in the 1990s, where many companies failed but the survivors became huge.
Ram Ahluwalia CEO, Lumida Wealth 26:41
International stocks continue outperforming US markets.
Ram expects international stocks and emerging markets to continue outperforming the United States. He points to the S&P 500 being one of the worst major stock markets over the last 12 months, MAG7 stocks in correction, fully invested positioning, geopolitical and tariff pressure on US assets, and money managers rotating out of the US. He says these trends tend to persist once emerging markets lead US stocks for a year, similar to the post-dotcom period.
Ram Ahluwalia CEO, Lumida Wealth 26:41
International stocks continue outperforming US markets.
Ram expects international stocks and emerging markets to continue outperforming the United States. He points to the S&P 500 being one of the worst major stock markets over the last 12 months, MAG7 stocks in correction, fully invested positioning, geopolitical and tariff pressure on US assets, and money managers rotating out of the US. He says these trends tend to persist once emerging markets lead US stocks for a year, similar to the post-dotcom period.
Ram Ahluwalia CEO, Lumida Wealth 26:49
MAG7 lagging amid US rotation.
Ram says MAG7 stocks are in correction and have been lagging, partly because of populist pressure on those names including from the president, and partly because money managers are rotating out of the US. He treats this as a sign that US mega-cap tech leadership is fading relative to international markets.
David Duong Head of Institutional Research, Coinbase 27:32
Bitcoin through worst, recovery unconvincing.
David says Bitcoin's digital-gold narrative failed in 2025 and Bitcoin has not caught up with gold during the latest geopolitical stress. A weaker dollar should theoretically help Bitcoin, but the break came around the 10/10 event that damaged crypto market structure and liquidity. He thinks most forced selling is over, making a return to the 80s unlikely, but he does not expect a convincing recovery like past cycles.
David Duong Head of Institutional Research, Coinbase 35:32
Stablecoin dollarization adoption continues accelerating.
David says geopolitical tensions and questions about US alliances will not stop dollarization; if anything they accelerate stablecoin adoption. He views dollarization as a decades-long trend and says short-term blips should not deter people from adopting dollars and stablecoins.
David Duong Head of Institutional Research, Coinbase 42:10
Still buying US equities.
David acknowledges the international-outperformance case and US sentiment headwinds, but says he is still buying American and still buying US equities. He argues US equities should still do fine and delivered double-digit returns last year, even if they lagged emerging markets.
Ram Ahluwalia CEO, Lumida Wealth 47:11
Legacy incumbents co-opt blockchain; avoid digital assets.
Ram is negative on the way legacy incumbents such as NYSE/ICE are adopting blockchain while crypto-native firms lose the lead. He wanted digital-asset brands like Superstate, Coinbase, and Jito to capture the tokenization opportunity, but instead incumbents with customer relationships and distribution are taking it, which he sees as not good for digital assets.
David Duong Head of Institutional Research, Coinbase 49:50
NYSE tokenization validates onchain finance.
David views NYSE/ICE's tokenized trading push as a watershed legitimizing moment for crypto and blockchain. It validates the view that future finance will be onchain and that blockchain is infrastructure for all assets, even if traditional finance must adapt to 24/7 markets and onchain settlement.
Ram Ahluwalia CEO, Lumida Wealth 67:14
Institutions rotate into non-US debt.
Ram points to PIMCO buying non-US debt and BlackRock and other large institutions rotating away from US assets. He expects this rotation to continue or accelerate after the last two weeks of policy and geopolitical developments.
Ram Ahluwalia CEO, Lumida Wealth 67:14
Institutions rotate into non-US debt.
Ram points to PIMCO buying non-US debt and BlackRock and other large institutions rotating away from US assets. He expects this rotation to continue or accelerate after the last two weeks of policy and geopolitical developments.
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