Traders See Minimal Chance of Jan. Rate Cut | Real Yield 1/9/2026

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 09, 2026 at 20:07  |  22:22  |  Bloomberg Markets
Speakers
Rick Rieder — CIO of Global Fixed Income at BlackRock
Lindsay Rosner — Head of Digital Assets, Grayscale
Blake Gwinn — RBC Capital Markets
Jim — Apollo President
Meghan Robson — Head of US Credit Strategy, BNP Paribas
Zachary Griffiths — Head of U.S. Investment Grade & Macro Strategy, CreditSights
Scarlet Fu — Anchor, Bloomberg Television

Summary

The episode focuses on the December jobs report and reduced odds of a January Fed rate cut, with rates strategists favoring a Fed on hold and curve steepeners. It also covers Trump's mortgage bond plan, record global bond issuance, AI-related IG supply, utilities versus hyperscalers, consumer credit stress, and private credit versus high yield.

  • December jobs data showed lower unemployment, reducing January Fed rate-cut expectations.
  • Macro guests expected the Fed to remain on hold near term and favored curve steepeners as a dual-risk trade.
  • Trump's $200B mortgage bond plan was seen as only modestly lowering mortgage rates, with non-agency RMBS highlighted as interesting.
  • Record global bond issuance kicked off 2026, with heavy US IG supply and large Yankee bank issuance.
  • Credit strategists debated whether hyperscaler and AI-related supply will strain IG spreads or remain manageable.
  • Utilities were preferred over hyperscalers in AI credit, while long-dated tech debt was flagged as risky.
  • Lower-income consumers, fast casual restaurants, and private credit underwriting were cited as areas of concern.
  • In leveraged finance, high yield was favored over private credit for greater transparency and public filings.
Ideas
Rick Rieder CIO of Global Fixed Income at BlackRock 2:33
Fed funds rate needs to be lower
The labor market has underlying weakness; a productivity revolution allows robust growth without as many workers, but lower-skilled, low-income, and small-business segments are suffering. Therefore the funds rate needs to be a bit lower.
Lindsay Rosner Head of Digital Assets, Grayscale 3:43
No January Fed cut, data clean
Clean December jobs data, including a drop in the unemployment rate to 4.4%, makes January unambiguous; the Fed will not cut in January because it is focused on the labor market and the data did not show continued softness.
Blake Gwinn RBC Capital Markets 4:49
Fed on hold rest of year
Inflation data are unlikely to change near-term Fed cut dynamics because the Fed is focused on the labor market; since December data did not show continued weakness, RBC changed its Fed call and expects the Fed on hold for the rest of this year.
Blake Gwinn RBC Capital Markets 6:45
Curve steepeners offer dual risk hedge
Investors still like curve steepeners because they offer dual risk protection: the front end benefits if a downturn forces rate cuts, while long-end yields could rise if there is a scare about Fed independence, deficits, or supply. Positioning is light relative to last year.
Lindsay Rosner Head of Digital Assets, Grayscale 8:50
Fixed income opportunities favor active management
There are opportunities in fixed income; active management is important because policy actions such as mortgage bond purchases can offset Fed runoff and create relative-value opportunities.
Lindsay Rosner Head of Digital Assets, Grayscale 9:06
Non-agency RMBS attractive on lifting tide
The Trump administration's $200B Fannie/Freddie mortgage bond purchases could lower mortgage rates modestly, around 25bp, and create a lifting tide; this makes the mortgage space interesting, especially non-agency residential mortgage-backed securities.
Blake Gwinn RBC Capital Markets 9:22
Mortgage bond impact modest unless escalates
The actual impact of $200B mortgage bond purchases is likely low, perhaps less than 25bp and not game-changing for homeownership; however, it becomes interesting if this is the start of larger, more aggressive purchases, with implementation and hedging potentially affecting rates.
Jim Apollo President 12:12
AI debt strain hits IG issuance
Hyperscalers may need $5T-$7T over 5-6 years for AI buildout; only about one-third can come from free cash flow, so IG, high yield, structured finance, and ABS markets will need to fill the gap. This could strain IG issuance markets, where hyperscalers go from negligible to 10%-15% of issuance.
Meghan Robson Head of US Credit Strategy, BNP Paribas 13:07
IG supply manageable for spreads
Hyperscaler supply will rise sharply, about $250B in 2026, but outside AI buildout borrowing is more restrained; financial net issuance may move lower, and the K-shaped economy is affecting corporate behavior. The supply backdrop should still be manageable for IG spreads.
Zachary Griffiths Head of U.S. Investment Grade & Macro Strategy, CreditSights 14:14
US IG spreads to widen
US IG spreads are expected to widen to 122bp as tech/AI and M&A-related new money supply shifts the technical backdrop from very robust to balanced, while fundamentals weaken with slower economic growth; wider spreads could then contain issuance in the second half.
Meghan Robson Head of US Credit Strategy, BNP Paribas 15:16
Prefer utilities over hyperscalers for AI
Both utilities and hyperscalers will issue more and see rising leverage, but utility credit is stronger through the re-leveraging trend, non-cyclical, and less exposed to equity markets. In playing AI, prefer utilities relative to hyperscalers.
Meghan Robson Head of US Credit Strategy, BNP Paribas 15:16
Prefer utilities over hyperscalers for AI
Both utilities and hyperscalers will issue more and see rising leverage, but utility credit is stronger through the re-leveraging trend, non-cyclical, and less exposed to equity markets. In playing AI, prefer utilities relative to hyperscalers.
Zachary Griffiths Head of U.S. Investment Grade & Macro Strategy, CreditSights 16:08
Long-dated IG tech debt risky
Long-dated tech/hyperscaler issuance creates asset-liability mismatch risk, as investors buy 40-year debt from companies that could be obsolete in five years. IG tech spreads have widened versus history, and this is a paradigm shift; U.S. issuers may tap euro markets but could face pushback, contributing to wider spreads.
Zachary Griffiths Head of U.S. Investment Grade & Macro Strategy, CreditSights 18:07
Lower-income consumer pressure hits fast casual
High-end consumers remain resilient, helped by locked-in mortgages and a lower unemployment rate, but lower-income consumers are the main concern. If inflation stays sticky, demand could struggle for leisure outside the home and fast casual restaurants.
Meghan Robson Head of US Credit Strategy, BNP Paribas 19:07
Private credit risk/reward less attractive
Private credit shows a disconnect between spreads and fundamentals, with robust technicals masking concerns about weakening underwriting terms as money is put to work. With yields in private credit moving into single digits, risk/reward is becoming less attractive.
Zachary Griffiths Head of U.S. Investment Grade & Macro Strategy, CreditSights 20:03
Prefer high yield over private credit
Systemic private credit problems would require a recession or a major tech/software obsolescence threat, neither in the base case; idiosyncratic single-name issues will continue. In leveraged finance, prefer high yield because public filers offer greater transparency and easier fundamental tracking, insulating investors from private credit issues.
Zachary Griffiths Head of U.S. Investment Grade & Macro Strategy, CreditSights 20:03
Prefer high yield over private credit
Systemic private credit problems would require a recession or a major tech/software obsolescence threat, neither in the base case; idiosyncratic single-name issues will continue. In leveraged finance, prefer high yield because public filers offer greater transparency and easier fundamental tracking, insulating investors from private credit issues.
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This Bloomberg Markets video, published January 09, 2026, features Rick Rieder, Lindsay Rosner, Blake Gwinn, Jim, Meghan Robson, Zachary Griffiths discussing TLT, January Fed rate cut, Fed rate cuts, US Treasury Curve Steepener, Non-agency RMBS, Mortgage bonds, US Investment Grade Credit, UTILITIES, Hyperscaler credit, Long-dated IG tech credit, Fast casual restaurants, Leisure outside the home, BIZD, HYG. 17 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Rick Rieder, Lindsay Rosner, Blake Gwinn, Jim, Meghan Robson, Zachary Griffiths  · Tickers: TLT, January Fed rate cut, Fed rate cuts, US Treasury Curve Steepener, Non-agency RMBS, Mortgage bonds, US Investment Grade Credit, UTILITIES, Hyperscaler credit, Long-dated IG tech credit, Fast casual restaurants, Leisure outside the home, BIZD, HYG