Name: Jim Rickards: Gold Is Going to $10,000 (At Least) — Here's What's Really Driving It
Uploaded: 2026-01-23T15:00:59+00:00
Duration: 4107 s

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Jim Rickards — Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author

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Jim Rickards argues the Trump administration is executing a deliberate economic playbook, including Scott Bessent's 'three arrows' to lower the debt-to-GDP ratio, and rejects the Wall Street debasement trade. He sees gold going to $10,000 and potentially $25,000 or more, silver to $200, and expects a recession and stock-market decline while defense contractors outperform. He also warns that stablecoins are opaque, likely to suffer a fraud-driven panic, and are distorting the Treasury bill collateral market, and predicts potential NATO breakup.

Rickards says Trump's economic program is strategic, not chaotic, with Bessent's 'three arrows' aimed at lowering debt-to-GDP.
He disputes the debasement trade, saying foreign central banks are not dumping Treasuries and there is a global dollar shortage.
He is bullish on gold, targeting $10,000 and potentially $25,000 or more, with central-bank buying and flat supply as key supports.
He is bullish on silver to $200 but sees more risk than gold due to industrial demand and volatility.
He expects a recession and a 20–40% stock-market decline, while favoring defense contractors even in a bear market.
He warns stablecoins are unaudited and may face fraud-driven panic that could disrupt Treasury bill collateral markets.
He sees JGBs and Italian debt as unattractive alternatives to Treasuries and recommends holding cash for diversification.
He predicts NATO may break up and discusses geopolitical flashpoints like Chagos Islands and Russia.

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Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 15:17

Treasuries supported; debasement trade wrong.

The Bessent 'three arrows'—deficits at or below 3% of GDP, real growth at or above 3%, and an extra 3 million barrels of oil per day—can reduce the debt-to-GDP ratio and restore confidence in the U.S. Treasury market. Foreign central banks are not dumping Treasuries and are maintaining their holdings, so the popular debasement trade is wrong and Treasury bills should remain supported.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 32:51

Avoid stablecoins on fraud and run risk.

Stablecoin sponsors are supposed to hold Treasury bills, but the system is unaudited and non-transparent, and Rickards believes at least one sponsor is stealing money. When a fraud is exposed like FTX, it should cause a panic across stablecoins; even honest sponsors would have to sell Treasury bills to meet redemptions, potentially overwhelming the bill market.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 37:06

Gold going much higher, buy dips.

Gold is not near a top; Rickards sees $10,000 as straightforward and $25,000 or higher as plausible, with $100,000 if the 1970s dollar devaluation repeats. Drivers include central banks switching from net sellers to net buyers and buying dips, flat mining supply, countries diversifying away from Treasuries after Russian reserves were frozen, and gold doing well in both inflation and deflation. This creates an asymmetric trade with limited downside and large upside.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 41:56

Avoid Italian debt on fiscal imprudence.

Italian government debt is an unattractive alternative to Treasuries because Italy is not known for fiscal prudence, even though it is one of the largest sovereign debt markets after the U.S.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 42:13

Avoid JGBs on extreme debt.

Japanese government bonds are not an attractive alternative to Treasuries because Japan's debt-to-GDP ratio is around 300%, far above the U.S. level, so Rickards says he would not rush into JGBs.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 59:43

Silver to $200, more volatile than gold.

Silver can reach $200 because it is a precious metal that should track gold higher and also an industrial input used in electronics, catalytic converters, and defense. If gold goes to $10,000, silver should go much higher, though Rickards has less confidence in the sustainability than in gold because silver is more volatile and exposed to the industrial cycle.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 60:17

US stocks likely down 30%.

Rickards expects a recession, higher unemployment, and a slowing economy. A global dollar shortage and contraction in the Eurodollar market could trigger a panic, and he thinks the stock market likely falls 20–40%, including about 30%, though some defense stocks may still rise.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 60:34

Defense contractors outperform even in bear market.

Defense spending must rise regardless of recession or a stock-market decline because U.S. weapon systems are obsolete against sophisticated adversaries like Russia. Rickards expects defense contractors to perform well even in a bear market, including traditional primes like Lockheed Martin, RTX, and Northrop Grumman, as well as firms like Kratos, Leidos, Palantir, and Anduril.

Jim Rickards Investment Advisor, Lawyer, Economist, Author 67:53

Hold cash for uncertainty diversification.

As part of real diversification, Rickards recommends holding some cash—possibly a big chunk—because no one knows exactly what will happen and a portfolio with stocks, gold, Treasury notes, and cash can withstand many environments.

Jim Rickards: Gold Is Going to $10,000 (At Least) — Here's What's Really Driving It

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