Real Yield 2/06/2026

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  February 06, 2026 at 21:29  |  44:12  |  Bloomberg Markets
Speakers
Jeffrey Sherman — Deputy Chief Investment Officer at DoubleLine Capital
Oksana Aronov — Fixed Income Strategist, JPMorgan Asset Management
Danielle Poli — Head of Content, The Block
Andrzej Skiba — Head of BlueBay US Fixed Income at RBC Global Asset Management
Helene Durand — Fixed Income Reporter, Bloomberg News
Matthew Cassel — Head of Municipal Strategy and Research, Bloomberg Intelligence
Mike McCarthy — International Economics and Policy Correspondent, Bloomberg
Norah Mulinda — Market Reporter, Bloomberg
Scarlet Fu — Anchor, Bloomberg Television
Michelle Kosinski — Reporter, Bloomberg
Rick Rieder — CIO of Global Fixed Income at BlackRock

Summary

Bloomberg Real Yield discusses weak US labor data, rate-cut expectations, and Fed balance-sheet policy under incoming chair Kevin Warsh. Guests debate Treasury curve steepening, long-end supply pressures, and credit-market stress from AI disruption in software loans. The show also covers CLOs, European credit tightness, municipal bonds, and a funding halt for the Gateway tunnel project.

  • Weak labor data raised rate-cut bets and steepened the Treasury curve.
  • Oksana Aronov and Jeff Sherman debated Treasury hedging, long-end supply, and curve steepeners.
  • Danielle Poli said private senior secured loans are safer than the AI-disruption narrative suggests and still favors CLOs.
  • Andrzej Skiba warned software-credit stress may broaden and hyperscaler issuance needs wider spreads.
  • Helene Durand said European credit spreads are tight but supported by healthy corporate balance sheets.
  • Matthew Cassel said munis have strong technicals but intermediate maturities warrant caution.
  • The show covered Oracle's record bond sale, midday equity movers, and the Gateway tunnel funding suspension.
Ideas
Jeffrey Sherman Deputy Chief Investment Officer at DoubleLine Capital 5:02
Stay long Treasury curve steepener.
The front end is more anchored by Fed policy, while the long end remains closer to cycle highs because of Washington policy uncertainty, potential inflation, and Treasury supply. He says the curve-steepening trade is still on in portfolios and prefers betting on a steeper curve over calling near-term rate direction.
Jeffrey Sherman Deputy Chief Investment Officer at DoubleLine Capital 5:02
Stay long Treasury curve steepener.
The front end is more anchored by Fed policy, while the long end remains closer to cycle highs because of Washington policy uncertainty, potential inflation, and Treasury supply. He says the curve-steepening trade is still on in portfolios and prefers betting on a steeper curve over calling near-term rate direction.
Oksana Aronov Fixed Income Strategist, JPMorgan Asset Management 5:56
Long-duration Treasuries unattractive as hedge.
Treasuries will only act as a reliable equity hedge in a recession; absent a stagflationary shock, they can sell off with risk assets. She also argues the long end is driven by fiscal policy, inflation uncertainty, heavy Treasury supply, and foreign-demand technicals rather than Fed funds, so long-duration rates are likely to stay volatile and have not rallied even as labor data weakened.
Oksana Aronov Fixed Income Strategist, JPMorgan Asset Management 17:06
Dollar benefits from global wealth demand.
The U.S. remains the dominant destination for global wealth creation because no other market is deep enough to absorb it. Despite marginal dollar diversification, the Treasury market and dollar should continue to benefit from reserve-asset demand.
Danielle Poli Head of Content, The Block 23:43
Private senior secured loans safer than feared.
The market is treating AI disruption in software credit as too binary. Many private loans are senior secured, with around 30% loan-to-value in mature enterprise software businesses and much of the capital structure owned by institutional equity or corporates, making them more senior and safer than the narrative implies.
Danielle Poli Head of Content, The Block 25:27
High yield more insulated than loans.
High yield is more insulated than leveraged loans because it has lower software concentration, and diversified multi-asset credit portfolios saw a more muted reaction to the AI-driven software selloff.
Andrzej Skiba Head of BlueBay US Fixed Income at RBC Global Asset Management 25:52
Software credit risk selloff just starting.
The software-credit selloff may be just beginning because markets cannot yet determine how dangerous AI disruption is for software issuers and there is little data to validate fears. Leverage and high M&A multiples make many software companies vulnerable to multiple compression, which can spiral through the space.
Andrzej Skiba Head of BlueBay US Fixed Income at RBC Global Asset Management 29:26
Hyperscaler debt needs wider spreads.
Huge AI capex-related issuance from hyperscalers such as Amazon and Alphabet will require more compensation. Recent spread widening shows the market needs higher yields to absorb hundreds of billions more supply; unless new money arrives from money markets or agency-mortgage reallocations, corporate credit spreads should move wider.
Danielle Poli Head of Content, The Block 31:23
CLOs offer compensated leveraged-loan exposure.
CLOs remain a better way to play leveraged loans because the collateral pool provides diversification and debt tranches are relatively less remote even with tech weakness. CLO spreads are still relatively wide and offer at least 200 basis points or more excess spread versus tight investment-grade markets, so investors are being paid for the risk.
Danielle Poli Head of Content, The Block 32:29
Underweight software and technology credit.
She is underweight the software and technology sector, using that position of strength to preserve bandwidth for liquid distressed opportunities and rescue financing.
Helene Durand Fixed Income Reporter, Bloomberg News 33:23
European credit spreads stay tight.
A nonstop stream of cash into European credit has driven risk measures to post-GFC lows, supported by healthy corporate balance sheets and limited software/big-tech exposure. German manufacturing data points to a healthier economy, and yields/spreads are attractive enough for blue-chip issuers that investors see little reason for spreads to widen materially.
Matthew Cassel Head of Municipal Strategy and Research, Bloomberg Intelligence 38:11
Munis supported by strong technicals.
Munis have an extremely constructive technical backdrop, with supply-demand imbalance and low ratios making them rich to Treasuries. If the curve bull-steepens, Treasuries may rally first, but munis should follow because technicals are strong, creating price appreciation.
Matthew Cassel Head of Municipal Strategy and Research, Bloomberg Intelligence 39:15
Intermediate munis face duration caution.
The intermediate part of the muni curve is an area of caution because low ratios and strong technicals collide with potential weakness if the Fed reduces its balance sheet or Warsh-driven policy raises duration concerns.
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This Bloomberg Markets video, published February 06, 2026, features Jeffrey Sherman, Oksana Aronov, Danielle Poli, Andrzej Skiba, Helene Durand, Matthew Cassel discussing US Treasury Curve Steepener, TLT, USD, Senior secured private credit, US High Yield Credit, Software leveraged loans, Hyperscaler corporate credit, JAAA, Software and technology credit, IBND, MUB, ITM. 13 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: Jeffrey Sherman, Oksana Aronov, Danielle Poli, Andrzej Skiba, Helene Durand, Matthew Cassel  · Tickers: US Treasury Curve Steepener, TLT, USD, Senior secured private credit, US High Yield Credit, Software leveraged loans, Hyperscaler corporate credit, JAAA, Software and technology credit, IBND, MUB, ITM