Gold Sets the Bar, But Bitcoin Can Catch Up. Here’s How: Bits + Bips

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 24, 2026 at 03:02  |  48:58  |  Unchained (Chopping Block)
Speakers
Steve Sosnick — Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers
Steve Ehrlich — Host, Bits + Bips: The Interview

Summary

Steve Ehrlich interviews Steve Sosnick of Interactive Brokers about why gold is outperforming Bitcoin as a safe haven and why Bitcoin still trades like a risk asset. They discuss crypto market structure, including digital asset treasury companies, stablecoins, and tokenized gold, as well as tariff and Greenland headlines, bond yields, Japanese bonds, the yen, and Fed independence.

  • Gold is described as the stress hedge while Bitcoin remains a risk asset.
  • Sosnick says Bitcoin needs currency-like volatility before safe-haven status.
  • Digital asset treasury companies are criticized for trading at premiums to coins.
  • Stablecoins and tokenized gold could absorb some Bitcoin demand.
  • Trump's tariff pullback on Greenland is seen as a risk-on relief.
  • Rising US and Japanese bond yields are pressuring global bonds.
  • Fed independence is discussed as important but likely protected.
Ideas
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 0:00
Bitcoin remains risk asset, not safe haven
Bitcoin has traded as a risk asset since inauguration, with high correlation to Nasdaq 100, no earnings, and large drawdowns; it is not digital gold or a reliable safe haven yet and needs currency-like volatility before it can earn that status. It may be useful in weak-currency countries but not in global risk-off stress.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 7:55
DATs are poor crypto exposure
Digital asset treasury companies are not an attractive way to get crypto exposure because they often trade at a large premium to the underlying coins—effectively paying $2 for $1 of coins—and that premium dynamic has already played out poorly.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 10:31
Gold is preferred safe-haven allocation
Gold is the preferred safe-haven hedge versus Bitcoin because it has much lower, currency-like volatility, a long history as a store of value, and investors are continuing to buy it in stress; Sosnick also says investors, especially in weak-currency countries, should have a big allocation to gold.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 10:35
Silver is speculative crypto-like risk asset
Silver is being bought to some extent as a hedge, but it trades in its own speculative world and behaves more like the original/current crypto-style risk asset than a stable safe haven.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 21:43
Stablecoins siphon safe-haven demand from Bitcoin
Stablecoins can absorb safe-haven and currency-substitution demand that might otherwise go to Bitcoin because, if properly backed by T-bills or hard assets, they offer fungibility and easy movement without Bitcoin's volatility; this is especially useful in countries like Argentina or Turkey, and stablecoins have taken some luster from Bitcoin.
Steve Ehrlich Host, Bits + Bips: The Interview 23:35
Tokenized gold can siphon Bitcoin demand
Tokenized gold, while still a small part of the gold market, is seeing rising trading volume/AUM and could siphon demand from Bitcoin by combining gold's safe-haven properties with blockchain rails.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 30:39
Tariff relief sparks risk-on equity bounce
Trump's withdrawal/postponement of tariffs tied to Greenland removes a key stock-market overhang created by tariff threats, so a risk-on bounce in US equities is warranted, though other macro headwinds such as a stronger yuan and weak Japanese bonds may prevent a full recovery; small caps/Russell 2000 are noted as part of the risk-on move.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 31:50
Rising yields pressure US Treasuries
The 10-year Treasury yield breaking above 4.20%—especially with Japanese yields rising—is putting a damper on global and US bonds, making long-duration Treasuries unattractive or risky until the yield picture stabilizes.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 32:47
JGB concerns dampen global bond markets
Lack of confidence in the Japanese government bond market is pushing JGB yields higher, eroding the long-end carry-trade yield advantage, weakening the yen, and acting as a damper on global bonds.
Steve Sosnick Chief Strategist, Interactive Brokers 32:47
Yen weakness persists on JGB concerns
The yen is weakening against the dollar because lack of confidence in the Japanese bond market and the still-positive short-end carry trade discourage carry unwind; this yen weakness can persist and feeds into risk-asset tolerance.
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