Credit market is not signaling all is well, says Sycamore's Mark Okada

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 13, 2026 at 21:05  |  4:07  |  CNBC
Speakers
Mark Okada — Co-founder and CEO, Sycamore Tree Capital Partners

Summary

Mark Okada of Sycamore Tree Capital Partners says the economic backdrop looks bullish, but the credit market is already in a cycle. He sees stress beneath the surface, especially in deep sub-investment-grade credit and rapidly grown private credit, where below-investment-grade lending is starting to produce losers. He warns there is no easy button in credit and that investors should be selective rather than reaching for yield.

  • Mark Okada remains constructive on the economy but cautious on credit.
  • He says credit returns looked fine on the surface but the credit cycle has already started.
  • He flags a growing divergence between high-quality credit and lower-quality/CCC credit.
  • He warns private credit has grown fastest and much lending is below investment grade.
  • He expects a traditional credit cycle with winners and losers, and losers hit harder than historically.
  • He says there is no easy button in credit, implying selectivity over broad risk exposure.
Ideas
Mark Okada Co-founder and CEO, Sycamore Tree Capital Partners 1:43
Credit cycle already started; be selective
Within credit, the cycle has already begun even as broad markets looked fine. Underneath the surface, high-quality credit and lower-quality credit are diverging, and there is no easy button in credit anymore. Investors should watch the credit market as a developing cycle with clear winners and losers rather than assuming all is well.
Mark Okada Co-founder and CEO, Sycamore Tree Capital Partners 2:16
Credit cycle started; avoid CCC credit
The credit cycle has already started even though headline credit returns looked fine on the surface. The spread between BB and B is around 50 basis points and is in line with or better than historical averages, but stepping down into CCC credit shows spreads at twice the historical B-to-CCC difference. That tells Okada that deep sub-investment-grade credit is where stress is building and investors should not reach out on the risk curve for extra yield.
Mark Okada Co-founder and CEO, Sycamore Tree Capital Partners 3:12
Private credit growth invites cycle defaults
Private credit has grown fastest among the major credit markets, at about a 14% CAGR, and much of that lending has been below investment grade. Three or four years later not everything works, so the law of averages is now starting to show up. That puts private credit into a traditional credit cycle where winners and losers separate and losers are hit harder than historically.
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