“You Will Own Nothing” Wasn’t a Warning… It Was the Plan w/ Carol Roth

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 22, 2026 at 15:45  |  38:30  |  Milk Road Macro
Speakers
Carol Roth — Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author

Summary

Milk Road Macro host John Gill interviews Carol Roth about her book 'You Will Own Nothing' and the structural shift from ownership to rentership. They discuss fiscal dominance, Fed policy, inflation risks, and how the US debt position may force yield curve control or further money printing. Roth outlines a barbell portfolio with broad equities, T-bills, and precious metals, while warning of dollar debasement and long-duration Treasury pressure.

  • WEF's 'you will own nothing' prediction frames a broader shift from ownership to rentership.
  • US fiscal deficits, debt/GDP above 120%, and interest costs exceeding defense spending create fragility.
  • The stock market must stay up because capital-gains revenue and consumer wealth effect support GDP and tax receipts.
  • Fed rate cuts are less effective; long-duration yields are set by markets and face upward pressure from deficits.
  • Roth expects accelerated inflation and possible yield curve control as policy responses.
  • Her portfolio is a barbell: 60% broad equities/S&P 500, 20% T-bills ladder, 20% alternative hedges primarily precious metals.
  • Gold is favored as a hedge against dollar debasement and central-bank de-dollarization; Bitcoin is mentioned as an alternative for some.
  • Government MBS buying may continue to lower mortgage rates, while housing affordability remains a policy challenge.
Ideas
Carol Roth Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author 13:01
Deficits push 10-year Treasury yields higher
She says deficits require more debt financing, which pushes up 10-year and other bond yields, increases interest expense, widens deficits, and creates a debt spiral until something breaks in the bond market; long-duration Treasuries are therefore under pressure.
Carol Roth Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author 13:50
Dollar value and reserve status eroding
Roth argues the dollar's reserve/trading-currency status is under threat and its real value is being degraded by fiscal deficits and money printing; central banks have been net sellers of Treasuries and are increasing gold reserves, so she wants to protect against dollar debasement rather than own the dollar.
Carol Roth Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author 17:09
Government MBS buying supports mortgage market
Roth expects the government/Fed to keep buying mortgage-backed securities to push mortgage rates down, which is a policy-driven support mechanism for the MBS market even though she prefers structural fixes like assumable mortgages for housing supply.
Carol Roth Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author 31:51
Barbell 60/20/20 with equities, T-bills, metals
Roth argues the US fiscal position is so fragile that policymakers literally cannot afford the stock market to fall; a decline would cut capital-gains revenue and create a negative wealth effect, weakening consumer-driven GDP and revenue, so she keeps 60% in broad market exposure like the S&P 500.
Carol Roth Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author 31:51
Barbell 60/20/20 with equities, T-bills, metals
Roth says she and her husband run a barbell portfolio: about 60% in broad equities such as the S&P 500, about 20% in cash/T-bills in a ladder, and about 20% in alternative hedges, primarily precious metals, to protect against fiscal dominance, inflation, and dollar debasement.
Carol Roth Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author 32:49
Bitcoin can hedge dollar debasement too
For investors who believe in the de-dollarization/inflation hedge thesis, Roth says a combination of metals and cryptocurrency—or Bitcoin—can serve as an alternative hedge against dollar debasement and portfolio risk, though her own portfolio uses precious metals.
Carol Roth Recovering investment banker, entrepreneur, business strategist, and author 33:57
Gold hedges money printing and de-dollarization
Roth believes the only way out of the fiscal situation is more money printing, which will keep degrading the dollar; central banks are adding gold to reserves, settling trade in gold, and reducing dollar use, so she uses precious metals/gold as a core hedge, including physical metal, ETFs, and miners.
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