Am I wrong that most of what gets called value investing is closer to Graham than to Buffett?
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· May 25, 2026 at 21:58
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The post argues that many self-identified value investors claim to follow Buffett’s quality approach but actually run Graham-style screens (low P/E, low P/B, low EV/EBITDA) that pick cigar butts – statistically cheap, often declining businesses.
Author warns that building DCFs on such businesses (which are structurally declining) gives a false veneer of quality analysis, leading to underperformance.
The post is a conceptual critique of value investing methodology, not a specific stock analysis. It is well-reasoned opinion/commentary (speculation) based on the author's 12 years of experience.
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After 12 years of running screens and managing my own portfolio, the pattern I keep noticing is how many people build screens to find Buffett-style quality but end up holding Graham-style cigar butts without realizing the two are different things. The holdings and the stated philosophy do not match, and I think that gap is part of why so many value portfolios underperform.
The two approaches have almost nothing in common. Graham looked for statistical bargains. Net-nets, companies below liquidation value, situations where the margin of safety came from price being lower than hard assets. Quality was beside the point. You bought a dollar for fifty cents, diversified widely, and accepted that a good share would fail. The basket was the safety, not any single pick.
Buffett started there and left. By 1972, when Berkshire bought See's Candy for $25 million at three times book, he had already moved on. See's earned $2 million on $8 million of tangible assets, a 25% return on capital. On a strict Graham basis the price was indefensible. Munger pushed him to pay it because the brand could raise prices every year without losing customers. Buffett has said since that Graham's approach left him underweight in the best businesses he ever found.
Most screens people run in the name of value investing are Graham screens. Low P/E, low P/B, low EV/EBITDA. Those surface statistically cheap companies, not quality ones. A low P/E very often signals a business whose ROIC is declining and whose competitive position is eroding, which means the market may be pricing it correctly rather than missing something. Graham would buy that basket and diversify across it. Buffett would not touch most of it…
This also shows up in how people build DCF models. A Graham-style bargain hunter does not really need a DCF, because the thesis is about assets, not future cash generation. But people run elaborate DCFs on cigar butts anyway, projecting growth and stable margins onto businesses that are structurally declining. The model gives the cheap multiple a veneer of quality analysis it does not deserve. The inputs are Buffett. The business is Graham.
So when someone describes a "cheap quality compounder" that is really just a declining business at a low multiple, that is the tell. The vocabulary is Buffett. The holding is Graham.
Curious whether people here see themselves as closer to Graham or Buffett, because I suspect most would say Buffett while running Graham screens.