Movement in dollar is start of a secular change from structural overvaluation, says Ironsides' Knapp

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  January 29, 2026 at 20:11  |  4:19  |  CNBC
Speakers
Barry Knapp — Managing Partner, Ironsides Macroeconomics
Michael Gapen — Chief US Economist at Morgan Stanley

Summary

Barry Knapp and Michael Gapen discuss the Fed, the dollar, and metals on The Exchange. Knapp argues the dollar is starting a secular decline from structural overvaluation and sees a strong case for gold due to China's shifting trade and reserve flows. Gapen says dollar weakness could be hedged more but is unlikely to be a major US inflation driver or necessarily disorderly because of the scale of dollar liabilities held abroad.

  • The Fed meeting and rate-cut timing are discussed, with both guests reportedly forecasting two cuts but on different timelines.
  • Barry Knapp says the dollar broke from the market-implied Fed policy path around Liberation Day and is beginning a secular decline.
  • Knapp sees a strong case for gold as China diverts exports away from the US and puts money into gold.
  • Knapp cautions that gold's parabolic move can become volatile and 'goofy.'
  • Michael Gapen says the US trade channel is small, limiting the risk that dollar weakness drives a major inflation problem.
  • Gapen highlights $62 trillion of dollar liabilities held abroad and says investors may need to hedge more.
  • Gapen says the setup does not argue for a disorderly dollar move, but hedging demand could help fuel one.
Ideas
Barry Knapp Managing Partner, Ironsides Macroeconomics 1:02
US dollar in secular decline
Barry Knapp argues the dollar had a structural break from the market-implied Fed policy path around Liberation Day. With trading partners' currency policies and reserve-recycling behavior—such as Taiwanese insurers' accounting treatment and China recycling surpluses into Treasuries—starting to shift, he believes the dollar is beginning a secular decline from structural overvaluation. The key risk is that this decline becomes disorderly, which Treasury Secretary Bessent will need to manage.
Barry Knapp Managing Partner, Ironsides Macroeconomics 1:51
Strong case for gold on China flows
Barry Knapp sees a strong case for gold: China is diverting exports away from the US (US imports of Chinese products down 43.5% year to date), so it is not accumulating dollars as before and is instead putting money into gold while routing trade through Mexico and Europe. He cautions that gold's vertical, parabolic move can become volatile and 'goofy.'
Michael Gapen Chief US Economist at Morgan Stanley 4:03
Hedge more if dollar downtrend persists
Michael Gapen says if the dollar is in a secular downtrend, geopolitics and the US net international investment position matter: the rest of the world holds $62 trillion in dollar liabilities and there is no alternative market large enough to absorb them. Investors therefore need to reassess the price at which they hold dollar assets and hedge more; this hedging demand does not argue for a disorderly move but could help fuel one.
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