Summary
Roberto Azevêdo, former WTO director, discusses the collapse of multilateral trade rules under Trump, the rise of nationalism and populism, and the increasing unpredictability of the global economy. He explains how digitalization fueled anti-globalization sentiment and why the current anarchic system is unsustainable, likely requiring a major crisis to force a new order. The conversation highlights Brazil’s critical role in food, energy, and environmental issues, implying potential upside for its commodity-exporting sectors.
- Azevêdo argues the world is now more nationalist, populist, and anarchic, leading to higher risk premiums and real rates.
- The current system is unsustainable; historically, major crises (economic or military) have been necessary to trigger a new multilateral order.
- Digitalization and social media have dismantled traditional political parties, enabling the rise of direct-populist leaders and anti-foreign sentiment.
- Brazil is an indispensable player in global negotiations on food security, natural resources, and environment, giving its exporters a structural edge.
- The US push for reindustrialization via tariffs will likely decelerate the global economy and could trigger a recession.
- Multilateral institutions like the WTO have lost viability; internal reform is highly unlikely—external shocks will be the catalyst for change.
- Azevêdo shares stories of high-stakes negotiations and explains how Brazilian diplomatic style combines informality with effectiveness.