Why Are So Many Companies Going Bankrupt In 2025? - David Friedberg

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  September 04, 2025 at 16:00  |  13:32  |  All-In Podcast
Speakers
David Sacks — General Partner, Craft Ventures
Chamath Palihapitiya — CEO, Social Capital
Jason Calacanis — Angel Investor / Founder, LAUNCH
David Friedberg — CEO, The Production Board

Summary

The hosts discuss an S&P Global report showing 2025 on pace for the most large corporate bankruptcies since 2010. Chamath argues the rise reflects the end of ZIRP-era free money and the return of M&A-driven creative destruction rather than tariffs, and expects more bankruptcies as a healthy clean-out. The panel notes most failures are lease-levered physical retailers, while Sacks highlights the $2.2 trillion wall of commercial real estate debt maturing before 2028 as the main rate-sensitive risk and blames the Fed for being slow to cut.

  • S&P Global: 446 large corporate bankruptcies through July 2025, on track for the most since 2010
  • Chamath: ZIRP let broken companies raise capital and survive for years; that reservoir is running out
  • Chamath: a looser M&A and regulatory regime is enabling creative destruction; more bankruptcies expected and seen as positive
  • New competition from unexpected entrants, such as Cloud Kitchens' Chipotle rival, adds pressure on incumbents
  • Most cited bankruptcies are physical retailers; long leases act like debt, making the channel structurally levered
  • Sacks: Q2 GDP at 3.3% shows a hot economy, but rate-sensitive sectors like real estate are soft
  • Sacks: $2.2T of commercial real estate debt matures before 2028; refinancing at higher rates and lower valuations is pushing developers to lose buildings
  • Sacks: the Fed is too slow to cut; real estate needs cuts or buildings must return to banks and reprice
Ideas
David Sacks General Partner, Craft Ventures 8:47
Commercial real estate debt wall risk
Sacks sees economic softness concentrated in rate-sensitive sectors, with commercial real estate the clearest example: about $2.2 trillion of CRE debt matures before 2028, and the 'blend and extend' or 'pretend and extend' workouts of the last two years are giving way to developers actually losing buildings to their lenders. Refinancing at a higher rate can turn a cash-flowing building cash-flow negative, and lower valuations shrink loan-to-value proceeds (a $100M building financed at $66M that is now worth $60M supports only $40M of debt, leaving a $26M gap equity holders must fund out of pocket or lose the asset). Office is worst: roughly a third of San Francisco real estate is vacant, owners have no incentive to fund tenant improvements, and there is a bit of a credit crunch as financing flows shift toward data centers. He expects many buildings to go back to banks and be auctioned at lower prices unless rates come down, and sees a lot of risk in the economy from this sector because of the wall of maturing CRE debt.
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