Elon Musk's Banker, China's New Robots, How Apollo Dodged SaaSsassination

Watch on YouTube ↗  |  February 10, 2026 at 22:59  |  3:46:24  |  TBPN
Speakers
John Coogan — Co-Host, TBPN
Jordi Hays — Co-Host, TBPN
Brad Gerstner — CEO, Altimeter Capital
Ethan Thornton — Founder and CEO, Mach Industries
Jana Grayson — Founder, Construct Capital
Brad — Co-founder and General Partner, Primary
Vincenzo Landino — Founder, Business of Speed
Kris Marszalek — Co-founder and CEO, Crypto.com
Cristóbal Valenzuela — Co-founder and CEO, Runway
Ashley Vance — Founder and CEO, Core Memory

Summary

TBPN covers Michael Grimes' return to Morgan Stanley and the implications for a SpaceX/OpenAI/Anthropic IPO wave, Apollo's software avoidance, and the SaaS/software selloff driven by AI disruption. Later segments focus on China's humanoid robotics boom, the frozen US labor market, and interviews with guests spanning defense tech, AI consumer apps, video generation, venture capital, reindustrialization, and media. Main market implications center on AI pressuring application software while benefiting data infrastructure, physical/regulated assets, defense, energy, and select AI-adjacent sectors.

  • Michael Grimes rejoins Morgan Stanley as chairman of investment banking, seen as a bullish signal for SpaceX and other large tech IPOs.
  • Apollo reports record deployment and says avoiding software helped it dodge the AI/SaaS selloff.
  • AI agents and improving models pressure seat-based application software; Monday.com drops on guidance and AI competitive fears.
  • China is pouring over $26B into humanoid robotics, with local supply-chain advantages and 140+ companies.
  • Ethan Thornton discusses unmanned defense systems and the need for decentralized, cost-effective manufacturing.
  • Guests highlight AI/biology, legal tech, crypto application layer, and US reindustrialization/defense/energy as investable areas.
  • Alphabet's 100-year bond sale is heavily oversubscribed, though hyperscaler AI capex remains a bubble concern.
  • Ashley Vance discusses Core Memory, documentaries, robot fights, and SpaceX's shift toward Moon/AI pragmatism.
Ideas
John Coogan Co-Host, TBPN 12:30
SpaceX IPO fees benefit lead banks.
Michael Grimes returning to Morgan Stanley as chairman of investment banking is the strongest signal yet that the SpaceX/OpenAI/Anthropic IPO wave is real. SpaceX could raise about $40B and generate roughly $400M in fees split across Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs, with Citi also having a meaningful chance, so the lead-bank group should benefit from the IPO fee pool.
Jordi Hays Co-Host, TBPN 25:16
Apollo avoided software and outperforms.
Apollo avoided software exposure while peers got hit by the AI/SaaS selloff; Q4 had nearly $30B net inflows, AUM near $1T, fee-related earnings up 25%, record capital deployment and a $4B buyback. Mark Rowan expects Apollo to look prettier than historical as investors favor managers without software exposure.
John Coogan Co-Host, TBPN 30:01
AI threatens seat-based application software.
AI agents and continuously improving models threaten seat-based application software. Monday.com fell 21% after weak guidance and flagging AI agents as a competitive threat; the market cannot underwrite long-dated cash flows for application software, so multiples should stay lower and price wars/fragmentation are likely.
Brad Gerstner CEO, Altimeter Capital 38:11
Snowflake benefits as AI data infrastructure.
Brad Gerstner argues AI relies on data infrastructure, so companies accelerating core revenue like Snowflake, Databricks and ClickHouse should do fine even as application software faces lower multiples; Snowflake is a beneficiary rather than a victim.
John Coogan Co-Host, TBPN 42:43
AI makes physical assets safer.
If AI commoditizes asset-light software, value may revert to atoms, infrastructure and energy. Safer areas include regulated liability-bearing businesses, physical-world hardware and manufacturing, proprietary data, marketplaces with network effects, and cybersecurity/physical security.
John Coogan Co-Host, TBPN 43:52
EquipmentShare owns physical supply advantage.
EquipmentShare went public recently and has done well because it owns much of the heavy equipment supply on its platform; physical equipment businesses are harder for AI to commoditize than asset-light software.
John Coogan Co-Host, TBPN 44:27
AI competitors threaten ServiceTitan pricing.
AI and vibe coding lower the barrier for new competitors to attack ServiceTitan's HVAC/SMB software. Even if incumbents are not replaced overnight, price-cutting competitors and fragmentation threaten the bottom line.
John Coogan Co-Host, TBPN 49:02
China positioned to dominate humanoid robots.
Beijing is pouring over $26B into humanoid robotics and has put embodied AI in the five-year plan; China has 140+ robot companies, local supply-chain depth, government buyers, and a ~$600M run-rate. Morgan Stanley expects 100k humanoids shipped in 2026, so China is positioned to dominate the industry.
Ethan Thornton Founder and CEO, Mach Industries 102:14
US must win with unmanned systems.
The US cannot outmanufacture China in manned or symmetric systems, so it must win via asymmetric, decentralized, cost-effective unmanned systems. Ukraine shows the transition is happening fast, and the defense industrial base needs rebuilding to enable that.
John Coogan Co-Host, TBPN 145:12
Google bond demand shows robust business.
Alphabet's 100-year bond sale was massively oversubscribed, showing strong investor demand for its robust business; despite hyperscaler AI capex and bubble concerns, investors are excited to ride with Google.
Brad Co-founder and General Partner, Primary 174:18
Crypto application layer getting interesting.
Primary has been light on crypto because the application layer was not ready, but that is starting to feel much more interesting; they are getting more oriented toward crypto/financial-services applications.
Brad Co-founder and General Partner, Primary 174:46
AI-bio companies will transform therapeutics.
AI and biology is a major area where new life-sciences companies will transform treatment and therapeutics over the next decade and look more like computer science companies; Primary is getting actively involved.
Brad Co-founder and General Partner, Primary 176:14
AI unlocks legal tech and vertical software.
AI lets software be bundled with completed work, opening historically hard-to-sell categories. Legal tech is now a multi-unicorn category with lots of revenue, and similar transformations can play out across other sectors.
Jana Grayson Founder, Construct Capital 181:49
US reindustrialization is major investable theme.
Construct's core thesis is that industrial companies could create enormous public-market value; US reindustrialization will be driven by new technology, decentralized/smaller manufacturing, defense as an early adopter, budgets and disruption of large incumbents.
Jana Grayson Founder, Construct Capital 187:19
Defense buyers accelerate US reindustrialization.
Defense is becoming the early-adopter market for reindustrialization because supply-chain security, a single large government buyer, budgets, and the need to disrupt large incumbents force adoption of new technology on US soil.
Jana Grayson Founder, Construct Capital 200:10
Energy and power are big spaces.
Jana Grayson names energy and power as big, fascinating spaces for investment in the reindustrialization and industrial-tech landscape.
Up Next

This TBPN video, published February 10, 2026, features John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Brad Gerstner, Ethan Thornton, Brad, Jana Grayson discussing MS, BAC, JPM, GS, APO, IGV, MNDY, SNOW, XLI, XLE, CIBR, EquipmentShare, TTAN, China humanoid robotics, Defense technology, Unmanned systems/drones, GOOG, Crypto/blockchain application layer, AI biotech/life sciences, Legal tech, US reindustrialization/industrial tech, POWER. 16 trade ideas extracted by AI with direction and confidence scoring.

Speakers: John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Brad Gerstner, Ethan Thornton, Brad, Jana Grayson  · Tickers: MS, BAC, JPM, GS, APO, IGV, MNDY, SNOW, XLI, XLE, CIBR, EquipmentShare, TTAN, China humanoid robotics, Defense technology, Unmanned systems/drones, GOOG, Crypto/blockchain application layer, AI biotech/life sciences, Legal tech, US reindustrialization/industrial tech, POWER