"Miners will potentially outperform and they get fully respected for what they do and uh they are they they will they will put in big big multiples. I prefer existing mines where the production risk is no longer a problem." While physical metal is for safety, miners are for leverage. The speaker explicitly advises against "100,000x" exploration lottery tickets, favoring established producers ("existing mines"). Therefore, large-cap miner ETFs (GDX for gold, SIL for silver) are the correct vehicle to capture this "production" leverage without single-asset exploration risk. Long established producers to capture operating leverage on rising metal prices. Operational costs (energy/labor) rising faster than metal prices; jurisdiction risks.